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  1. #131
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    Alleo's Avatar
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    Light Khah
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLupinos View Post

    I was actually having so much fun doing dungeons with only BLU. I don't understand what is the difficulty to understand that when BLU was released it was not suited for group play, but now it can. I mean, it have actual roles now, what's the difficulty to stop using this brain dead argument over something that has nothing to do now that BLU is 60 and has complete capabilities to do group content?
    Because they said that Blue was a solo OP job (which is one of the reasons why it was not allowed to be a normal job) yet from the very beginning they put skills behind group content..defeating the purpose of a solo job. Now they have even gone farther away from that concept by putting the majority of the new skills behind group instances and adding "new" content also only for groups..where is the solo OP part that made it limited?

    Why cant they make a normal job out of it then?

    Rei also had made his points in other threads about what could be done (as have other people). This feedback was completely ignored and now they have managed to even make it bad for those that looked forward to doing it solo.

    And yes I do believe that if you put something as limited and has skill collection as one of its few content, that it would give us unique skills.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridwyn View Post
    Honestly make BLU a standard caster. Have us learn the basic kit via Job Quests like everyone else, then have monsters out in the world drop spells that are functionally identical to spells in our base kit and let us pick which 'spell glamour' we want to use.
    Either that or give us the carneval as extra side content where we could then use these extra skills. So we could have a job that can be used in normal content and has fun side content for those that want to gather the skills. And since Blue would be a normal job with a normal weapon, normal gear and normal skills (for dungeons at least) we would not need to be carried like death weight through some of the content..and if we are max lvl then people could even truly solo most of the stuff unsynch.
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    Last edited by Alleo; 12-12-2019 at 08:12 PM.

  2. #132
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    Saefinn's Avatar
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    Sadly, I can't do any of the new Blue quests even though I'm already 58. I just haven't mastered the Azulmagia fight and the primal abilities have been... uncooperative in the learnings. I realize they aren't "needed" for the fight but they sure couldn't hurt.

    I guess BLU just isn't really for me. I mean I like collecting the abilities, but I can't actually get them all solo and I guess I had it in my head that, being a "limited job" that can't do roulettes, that it was intended to be a more solo-centric thing. My mistake apparently.
    If it helps with Azulmagia at least. I did the fight with minimum skills.
    I used:
    Bristle
    Water Cannon
    Drill Cannons
    Loom

    Drill Cannons and Loom can be farmed in the same place. Water Cannon you will have.

    The rest is dodge and using water cannon when he's reflecting magic and Drill Cannon when he's reflecting physical.

    In the last act when he casts Web I run to the edge next in between the whirlwinds and aim my Loom for the centre of the map. I cast as soon as I see the indicator for meteor and cast again a couple of feet away, this gives me control of where the meteor drops and a marker to aim for before I have to react, given the window is tiny.
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  3. #133
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangelus View Post
    Hey, remember that time Yoshi-P spent a solid 5 minutes talking about how annoying it would be for everyone else to have a Blue Mage use Level 5 Death and kill a raid boss in one shot, but how un-fun if would be for the Blue Mage if Level 5 Death didn't one shot the raid boss? And that that is why the job had to be limited?


    ...Nice friggin' meme, Yoshi-P.
    Does it work by the way?
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  4. #134
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    ReiMakoto's Avatar
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    Rei Makato
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    Does it work by the way?
    No, enemies resist it like with doom
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

  5. #135
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Level 5 Doom is handy for deleting raid/dungeon trash, but that's about it.

    Eerie Soundwave also has no clear indicator of what buffs it does/doesn't work on, and I've yet to find any good applications for it outside of the Carnivale.
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  6. #136
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    Rei Makato
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Level 5 Doom is handy for deleting raid/dungeon trash, but that's about it.

    Eerie Soundwave also has no clear indicator of what buffs it does/doesn't work on, and I've yet to find any good applications for it outside of the Carnivale.
    Shame about that 3 min cooldown on 5-death though, imagine waiting 3 mins for it and it kills like one thing lol.

    Also yeah EErie Soundwave seems like pure gimmick not worth slotting
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

  7. #137
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    Gula's Avatar
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    Krystal Abyss
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Complaining is feedback. Whining stemming from "I can't main it so I'm going to reach really hard to come up with imaginary excuses to why the job is bad" along with using subjective reasons as if they're objective facts isn't feedback.

    Threads like this one are textbook examples of why we can't have nice things: because the haters will try to ruin it for everyone else any chance they can, just because they weren't catered to. This thread is just like the Male Viera thread started out: full of people who rather ruin it for everyone because they didn't get what they wanted.

    Y'all are already spoiled enough by devs and it shows on your attitudes.
    How could you post something so controversial, and yet so brave?

    Honestly, I like BLU. I can see and understand why it's limited. Unless they (ironically) limited it, it would get no chance otherwise. I think that people are allowed to make mistakes just as long as they learn from them. And this update seems to be really, really trying to fix what they have wrought. Not quite getting there, but there was an attempt.

    Granted, I wont play it nor will I touch anything Savage- but for what I did, I did enjoy reading the spell book entries and seeing more world building. Like beastmen allowed in Ul'dah because they weren't in the registry for racism.

    It's not an absolutely required piece of content, and seems like a grand ol' time for the niche crowd. And XIV has something for everyone. You can't please everyone, as seen ITT, but I know of a number of people who are pleased with it. So I say let them bumble for off patches. I want to see how they collect data, and add more at later dates.
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    Last edited by Gula; 12-13-2019 at 12:24 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

  8. #138
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    Infindox's Avatar
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    Absenthine Starfrost
    World
    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    How could you post something so controversial, and yet so brave?

    Honestly, I like BLU. I can see and understand why it's limited. Unless they (ironically) limited it, it would get no chance otherwise. I think that people are allowed to make mistakes just as long as they learn from them. And this update seems to be really, really trying to fix what they have wrought. Not quite getting there, but there was an attempt.

    Granted, I wont play it nor will I touch anything Savage- but for what I did, I did enjoy reading the spell book entries and seeing more world building. Like beastmen allowed in Ul'dah because they weren't in the registry for racism.

    It's not an absolutely required piece of content, and seems like a grand ol' time for the niche crowd. And XIV has something for everyone. You can't please everyone, as seen ITT, but I know of a number of people who are pleased with it. So I say let them bumble for off patches. I want to see how they collect data, and add more at later dates.
    I do like BLU for the spell collecting and SOME semblance of choice with picking spells, as well as the Masked Carnavale. The problem is this patch gave a lot of people whiplash. BLU was intended to be a solo experience, or at the very least something you could quickly gather some friends and get spells (barring a few primal ones), as well as being OP as it had to be a limited job. Now they locked things behind content on a Savage level, and once those people interested/capable of doing it get it, very few people will be able to get help doing so. Even people who ARE interested now need to find new statics. This would be all fine if BLU was OP but nah.... Barely got much.
    Not all content is for everyone, but dont suddenly change a "casual" challenge into a savage-level one.
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  9. #139
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    Mister Feeny
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    How could you post something so controversial, and yet so brave?

    Honestly, I like BLU. I can see and understand why it's limited. Unless they (ironically) limited it, it would get no chance otherwise. I think that people are allowed to make mistakes just as long as they learn from them. And this update seems to be really, really trying to fix what they have wrought. Not quite getting there, but there was an attempt.

    Granted, I wont play it nor will I touch anything Savage- but for what I did, I did enjoy reading the spell book entries and seeing more world building. Like beastmen allowed in Ul'dah because they weren't in the registry for racism.

    It's not an absolutely required piece of content, and seems like a grand ol' time for the niche crowd. And XIV has something for everyone. You can't please everyone, as seen ITT, but I know of a number of people who are pleased with it. So I say let them bumble for off patches. I want to see how they collect data, and add more at later dates.
    I really like BLU. I don't care if they did a 180 and increasingly tried to make it more social or that was their idea from the start but communication got messed up. Doesn't matter to me. I would like to see some restrictions (Deep Dungeons, Eureka, squadrons) be eased or adjusted for solo queue. Besides that, I really enjoy playing it and that mimic spell really gives me the hybrid job fantasy that is absent from all the other jobs.

    While I'm no Savage raider, I'm willing to get of my comfort zone and try. Like how I did for Ozma and how awesome it felt clearing BA. Start small by clearing EX and then work my way up. Maybe find a LS or fellowship for just BLU. It's been a while since I've had a goal. Feels pretty good.
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  10. #140
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    I do like BLU for the spell collecting and SOME semblance of choice with picking spells, as well as the Masked Carnavale. The problem is this patch gave a lot of people whiplash. BLU was intended to be a solo experience, or at the very least something you could quickly gather some friends and get spells (barring a few primal ones), as well as being OP as it had to be a limited job. Now they locked things behind content on a Savage level, and once those people interested/capable of doing it get it, very few people will be able to get help doing so. Even people who ARE interested now need to find new statics. This would be all fine if BLU was OP but nah.... Barely got much.
    Not all content is for everyone, but dont suddenly change a "casual" challenge into a savage-level one.
    The request for something challenging to do in groups of BLUs came from the community though. And it's fair to have a (non-mandatory) reward for achieving these feats.

    Also, no, BLU wasn't really intended to be all about solo. People simply got stuck on a few badly translated powerpoint slides and stretched everything to make ridiculous assumptions.
    So, that side-content getting more varied stuff to do (including difficult content) isn't really a surprise. SE never said that BLU was only going to stay within that "casual" zone forever. Especially if the community requests something else.

    In short, one might criticize how they did it, but not the fact that they did it since "we" asked for it.
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    Last edited by Fyce; 12-13-2019 at 01:51 AM.

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