What BLU got this Patch

[Infindox]

After trying a bit yesterday, I really wish they just went wild and made BLU an OP mess. I can attempt Savage on any other job; let me curbstomp Brute Justice.
Also Mimicry needs some improvement. Needs to be a stance, either two separate moves (one like tank stance, one like Cleric Stance)or one move that cycles.
A positive: I like how some spells look. I like how you made those seals useful to me again (at least for a day!) and I appreciate making THOSE rewards pretty easy to get.

I can only see complains. Were is the constructive criticism? Do you imagine anything any better?

This thread alone is just a waste of time if youre not going to help to feedback the dev team with actual valuable responses. You complaining or not playing it is actually the same bad end.

There.... Is actual constructive criticism here. Did you read entire thread?

[Zephera]

My feedback is headed to OP. All my post was feedback.
Complaining is not feedback. Constructive criticism is feedback.
Why waste time complaining then if it's up to the producer to make things palatable? Your whole thing contradicts with itself.

BLUE is palatable, if it's not for you, that's your opinion then, because for me it is. It may not be the perfect thing, but it serve it's purpose.

As I said, not playing this game or just complaining is the same thing. Better leave next time.

What feedback? You're complaining because people have a different opinion than you. You're the one contradicting yourself.

We complain and give feedback so the producers of content have an opportunity to fix and fine tune content to make it palatable.

I have as much right to play the game as you do, so I won't leave, and I am going to complain about the parts I don't like. If you can't accept that other people criticize things you like, perhaps you should leave instead?

Also, John, you only call it whining because you disagree, I loathe to use the term but quit white knighting. Also nice assumption that I don't like the job because it can't be mained, that's not what I don't like about the job. I don't like the job because it's a clunky mess.

[ReiMakoto]

I could use your type of argument over anything we get in this game. This game is more of the same, and that's why we still play it. I mean, what were you actually expecting? Something similar to a normal Job? haha.

I was actually having so much fun doing dungeons with only BLU. I don't understand what is the difficulty to understand that when BLU was released it was not suited for group play, but now it can. I mean, it have actual roles now, what's the difficulty to stop using this brain dead argument over something that has nothing to do now that BLU is 60 and has complete capabilities to do group content?

It has 80 actions, were you expecting that every one of them was unique? They are all different and do have a use.

You can literally learn all the spells in the first try now, what's the complain?

I want you to answer me what Final Fantasy tittle has a BLue mage that have all actions unique and not just "more of the same".

I can only see complains. Where is the constructive criticism? Do you imagine anything any better?

This thread alone is just a waste of time if youre not going to help to feedback the dev team with actual valuable responses. You complaining or not playing the game is actually the same bad end.

Ive given months of constructive criticism across this forum on BLU, this thread was simply to express my dissatisfaction with the new offerings, and how they contradict previous statements by the devs. And no i cant point to an FF where the kit was entirely unique, but in other ffs blus were treated as part of the party like every other job, and the devs didnt give excuses saying its kit was the reason why when its kit is clearly highly derivative

To answer your other points
-It always had the capability to do group content, its just there was no incentive and I still have no incentive whilst its limited, if anything its shift towards grouping takes away from any arguments for limitation
-It has 80 actions, many of which are functionally identical/useless. Faux Variety =/= fun to me
-I applaud them making spells easier to learn, they shouldn't have any learn rates to begin with, 100% learnrate should be the standard because the spells should be the means and not the ends in and of themselves, arbitrary learn rates are and always will be a bad design decision unless there is justified reason to have them like in ffxi. Having higher learn rates also doesn't take away from the fact that there is still nothing engaging, at least to me, to use said spells on
- Answered above, other games didnt try to segregate blu based on its abilities
-Yes I do imagine ways it could be better, and express them regularly in the other blue mage threads
- This Thread is a waste of time in your opinion, I enjoy expressing criticism of the game as maybe it will reach places where my favourite job in the franchise will be mainable

[LeoLupinos]

After trying a bit yesterday, I really wish they just went wild and made BLU an OP mess. I can attempt Savage on any other job; let me curbstomp Brute Justice.
Also Mimicry needs some improvement. Needs to be a stance, either two separate moves (one like tank stance, one like Cleric Stance)or one move that cycles.
A positive: I like how some spells look. I like how you made those seals useful to me again (at least for a day!) and I appreciate making THOSE rewards pretty easy to get.



There.... Is actual constructive criticism here. Did you read entire thread?

I did only read OP. My post was about OP, and only him.

What feedback? You're complaining because people have a different opinion than you. You're the one contradicting yourself.

We complain and give feedback so the producers of content have an opportunity to fix and fine tune content to make it palatable.

I have as much right to play the game as you do, so I won't leave, and I am going to complain about the parts I don't like. If you can't accept that other people criticize things you like, perhaps you should leave instead?

Also, John, you only call it whining because you disagree, I loathe to use the term but quit white knighting. Also nice assumption that I don't like the job because it can't be mained, that's not what I don't like about the job. I don't like the job because it's a clunky mess.

I was not talking about you, I was talking about the Original Post. I think you're taking as if I were saying that you were not giving valuable criticism.
You yourself can see what I suggested to OP to add to it's "feedback" in my post.

Ive given months of constructive criticism across this forum on BLU, this thread was simply to express my dissatisfaction with the new offerings, and how they contradict previous statements by the devs. And no i cant point to an FF where the kit was entirely unique, but in other ffs blus were treated as part of the party like every other job, and the devs didnt give excuses saying its kit was the reason why when its kit is clearly highly derivative

There we have it. Thread about complains.

[Zephera]

I was not talking about you, I was talking about the Original Post. I think you're taking as if I were saying that you were not giving valuable criticism.
You yourself can see what I suggested to OP to add to it's "feedback" in my post.

Ah yes, great feedback such as calling his argument "braindead." A+ constructive criticism there.

[Powercow]

- People would be going into content without the necessary skills and would get hate for that vs. lets create a log that needs 8 blue mages who also need certain skills to even do it.

This excuse from the devs still bugs me. I get that in ShB abilities were just learned passively, but up until then most of your skills, especially high level ones, came from quests. And can you imagine the hate people would get if they didn't have those skills?!

Think of all the skills and traits from 50-60 and imagine how bad your class would be without them. Wheeling Thrust/F&C and Battle Litany? Enochian and Fire IV? Chakras and Elixir Field? Assize and Tetragrammation? 2/3 of Paladin's rotation and half their cooldowns?

God, just imagine being a Paladin and trying to go into a savage raid, and when asked why you aren't using Shelltron or Hallowed Ground for you to respond "I don't have those lol." You'd be kicked and blacklisted immediately! It's baffling how SE thinks Blue Mages must be treated differently. Does SE really think people will go into savage raids as BLU and not have unlocked every single important skill? And frankly dungeons, normal mode raids and 24mans don't matter much if a BLU is missing something, people underperform super badly in there and nobody really cares. I can't ever see someone giving a BLU crap because they didn't give the MT a defensive cooldown because, well nobody expects a DPS to do that in easier content.

[ReiMakoto]

There we have it. Thread about complains.

Are you trying to insinuate *complains* about valid concerns are worthless, thats a bit of an unsettling view

[ReiMakoto]

Complaining is feedback. Whining stemming from "I can't main it so I'm going to reach really hard to come up with imaginary excuses to why the job is bad" along with using subjective reasons as if they're objective facts isn't feedback.

Threads like this one are textbook examples of why we can't have nice things: because the haters will try to ruin it for everyone else any chance they can, just because they weren't catered to. This thread is just like the Male Viera thread started out: full of people who rather ruin it for everyone because they didn't get what they wanted.

Y'all are already spoiled enough by devs and it shows on your attitudes.

No one is trying to ruin your fun, we just want to have ours

[Eloah]

I could use your type of argument over anything we get in this game. This game is more of the same, and that's why we still play it. I mean, what were you actually expecting? Something similar to a normal Job? haha.

I was actually having so much fun doing dungeons with only BLU. I don't understand what is the difficulty to understand that when BLU was released it was not suited for group play, but now it can. I mean, it have actual roles now, what's the difficulty to stop using this brain dead argument over something that has nothing to do now that BLU is 60 and has complete capabilities to do group content?

It has 80 actions, were you expecting that every one of them was unique? They are all different and do have a use.

You can literally learn all the spells in the first try now, what's the complain?

I want you to answer me what Final Fantasy tittle has a BLue mage that have all actions unique and not just "more of the same".

I can only see complains. Where is the constructive criticism? Do you imagine anything any better?

This thread alone is just a waste of time if youre not going to help to feedback the dev team with actual valuable responses. You complaining or not playing the game is actually the same bad end.

The issue is that SE is contradicting themselves with BLU. They are marketing it as "solo" content, but a good majority of it needs to be done with a group. And it's not the traditional being in a group would just make things easier, it's literally, certain aspects of the job are locked behind group activities. And unlike regular jobs, where you can do things solo, but also have the system search for a group when needed, BLU still doesnt have a dedicated DF. Everything is still left up to the player to do. It's disheartening if people can't get on at pique times or aren't that great at the game in general.

The main gripe people have is that, once the initial hype dies down, so will BLU. It's group content marketed as solo content, which is false. Crafting is true solo content. You can pick that up and put it down at your leisure. I don't think anyone has any glaring issues with their aesthetics, and the spell issues could be overlooked if BLU was the actual solo content SE claimed it was. And if they were truly the OP powerhouse they claimed it was going to be.

[LeoLupinos]

Are you trying to insinuate *complains* about valid concerns are worthless, thats a bit of an unsettling view

No. Complains are important, but only when followed by a solution, that's constructive criticism. What do you think the devs will think when they finally give a chance to your "feedback" from this tread? It's just "more of the same" and copy of other jobs, and a reskinned PF. I'm not seeing a solution on what you said. What should them do then? Because I understand their concept and calling "just 220 pot spells" tells me that you just don't get it.

"Lacklusters rewards" what do you want as a reward? because materia 8 from allied seals can't be lackluster.