What BLU got this Patch

[Shougun]

https://i.imgur.com/b6wWLso.png

This is an offical slide from the liveletter. Its says that its a job designed for solo play and not suited for parties. Just because some translator on reddit thinks that it could mean something else does not change that on the official slide it simply says that it was designed for solo play. And now 90% of what it is, is group play. Only carneval and some skills are solo, the rest not.

If it was just leveling then this would account to every job too because you can just level them outside of instances and solo as well. That should not make it a special point on a slide.

I remember first frowning at that slide, because DF yada yada lol, but now I just wish that slide was actually true... XD.

[Fyce]

https://i.imgur.com/b6wWLso.png

This is an offical slide from the liveletter. Its says that its a job designed for solo play and not suited for parties. Just because some translator on reddit thinks that it could mean something else does not change that on the official slide it simply says that it was designed for solo play. And now 90% of what it is, is group play. Only carneval and some skills are solo, the rest not.

If it was just leveling then this would account to every job too because you can just level them outside of instances and solo as well. That should not make it a special point on a slide.

The bad translation was discussed immediatly after the liveletter (and even during it). I just gave a recent exemple. But still, people completly ignored that discussion and kept stretching the idea that this slide meant "Blue Mage is going to be 100% solo!".
The discussion was pretty much ignored. Just like the slides showing groups of BLU playing together. And the fact that FFXIV was a MMORPG and that it was very likely that group play would be involved.

For me, it's just a case of miscommunication like it happens from time to time. But since I don't base my opinion on such trivial things, I don't really care. If people didn't understand that this job would have MMO elements attached to it, SE could probably be blamed for not being clear enough, but at that point it's almost like people are complaining that the obvious wasn't stated.

Whatever the case, feel free to correct that reddit translator if you think you can read japanese better than them. It'd give your argument more weight instead of making you look dismissive just because what's being said doesn't fit your narrative.

Edit: Just to be clear, this argument is completly ridiculous to begin with. If you want BLU to be solo only, then explain why and give good reasons why it'd be better. Don't simply go "oh, because the powerpoint said so".
SE isn't going to revamp BLU simply because people misunderstood a powerpoint slide.

[Alleo]

Edit: Just to be clear, this argument is completly ridiculous to begin with. If you want BLU to be solo only, then explain why and give good reasons why it'd be better. Don't simply go "oh, because the powerpoint said so".
SE isn't going to revamp BLU simply because people misunderstood a powerpoint slide.

And yet as others have said there are seemingly JP players that are also not fine with it.

So what does "designed for solo play" and "not suited for parties" mean? What solo play does it have? Most skills need parties. Leveling a job can be solo on any job too. Is that really just there for carneval? And if that person on reddit is right then even that was not meant for it. Also there in the slides its written that its not suited for parties, yet most of its content is locked behind party play. How can that be if its not suited for it?

I dont even want it solo..but I want the devs to decide what this one should be. If its designed for solo play than give it more solo play. If its not suited for parties then dont hide most of it skills behind party content..And if it is now meant to play in parties...what stops it from becoming a real job? Why even restrict it anyway if most of its content needs a group?

[Auryan]

How could you post something so controversial, and yet so brave?

Honestly, I like BLU. I can see and understand why it's limited. Unless they (ironically) limited it, it would get no chance otherwise. I think that people are allowed to make mistakes just as long as they learn from them. And this update seems to be really, really trying to fix what they have wrought. Not quite getting there, but there was an attempt.

Granted, I wont play it nor will I touch anything Savage- but for what I did, I did enjoy reading the spell book entries and seeing more world building. Like beastmen allowed in Ul'dah because they weren't in the registry for racism.

It's not an absolutely required piece of content, and seems like a grand ol' time for the niche crowd. And XIV has something for everyone. You can't please everyone, as seen ITT, but I know of a number of people who are pleased with it. So I say let them bumble for off patches. I want to see how they collect data, and add more at later dates.

I really like BLU. I don't care if they did a 180 and increasingly tried to make it more social or that was their idea from the start but communication got messed up. Doesn't matter to me. I would like to see some restrictions (Deep Dungeons, Eureka, squadrons) be eased or adjusted for solo queue. Besides that, I really enjoy playing it and that mimic spell really gives me the hybrid job fantasy that is absent from all the other jobs.

While I'm no Savage raider, I'm willing to get of my comfort zone and try. Like how I did for Ozma and how awesome it felt clearing BA. Start small by clearing EX and then work my way up. Maybe find a LS or fellowship for just BLU. It's been a while since I've had a goal. Feels pretty good.

[Infindox]

The request for something challenging to do in groups of BLUs came from the community though. And it's fair to have a (non-mandatory) reward for achieving these feats.

Also, no, BLU wasn't really intended to be all about solo. People simply got stuck on a few badly translated powerpoint slides and stretched everything to make ridiculous assumptions.
So, that side-content getting more varied stuff to do (including difficult content) isn't really a surprise. SE never said that BLU was only going to stay within that "casual" zone forever. Especially if the community requests something else.

In short, one might criticize how they did it, but not the fact that they did it since "we" asked for it.

Fair, but one could argue they didn't properly explain themselves. Imagine if they actually went and said so before patch. Everyone would have probably been ready for it that wanted to. We knew we were getting a glorified PF, but nothing else.

[Melichoir]

Fair, but one could argue they didn't properly explain themselves. Imagine if they actually went and said so before patch. Everyone would have probably been ready for it that wanted to. We knew we were getting a glorified PF, but nothing else.

Even if they properly explained the changes and additions, people would still be dissatisfied and levy the same complaints. At this point, there is no pleasing some of the player base regarding BLU unless it becomes a full class - something I doubt is gonna happen ever or even if it should frankly.

[Elizar_Naki]

What I find most amusing about Yoshi-P's reasons for making BLU a "limited" job is because he didn't want BLU players being excluded from raids if they didn't have specific skills. Earlier today, I saw a PF for T9 telling people to have "the required skills." Other than the fact that T9 isn't current content for anyone other than BLUs going for the morbol mount, this looks to me like EXACTLY what Yoshi-P claimed he wanted to avoid.

Add to that other people's arguments about BLU being "OP" by nature. The devs didn't want skills like Missile or Lv.5 Death trivializing raid bosses, but those skills already don't work on most (if not all) of the raid/trial bosses BLUs can currently fight. And as the OP stated, most of BLU's other skills (especially the new ones) either have terrible potencies or are just "X skill from class Z, but worse."

So...why is this a limited job again?

[VirusOnline]

What BLU got this patch is confirmation of permanent limitation.

Thank god I never wasted my time on it.

[Blueyes]

What BLU got this patch is confirmation of permanent limitation.

Thank god I never wasted my time on it.

I mean, SE never intended to lift the limitation for this patch. Before, they basically told us "we'll consider feedback, but not until after patch 5.15." And now, with the update here, I can assure everyone that my opinion on the matter hasn't changed in the slightest. Blue Mage deserves better than this. I won't rest until Blue Mage becomes a full job.

[jon041065]

I mean, SE never intended to lift the limitation for this patch. Before, they basically told us "we'll consider feedback, but not until after patch 5.15." And now, with the update here, I can assure everyone that my opinion on the matter hasn't changed in the slightest. Blue Mage deserves better than this. I won't rest until Blue Mage becomes a full job.

I agree completely. Some of the new spells are fun because they are what I thought a real job version of BLU would be like. This patch hasn't made me feel that I'm glad that BLU is limited, it's just made me want to play it in all the rest of the game even more as my main.