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  1. #1
    Player
    Saefinn's Avatar
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Balmung
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy View Post
    Sadly, I can't do any of the new Blue quests even though I'm already 58. I just haven't mastered the Azulmagia fight and the primal abilities have been... uncooperative in the learnings. I realize they aren't "needed" for the fight but they sure couldn't hurt.

    I guess BLU just isn't really for me. I mean I like collecting the abilities, but I can't actually get them all solo and I guess I had it in my head that, being a "limited job" that can't do roulettes, that it was intended to be a more solo-centric thing. My mistake apparently.
    If it helps with Azulmagia at least. I did the fight with minimum skills.
    I used:
    Bristle
    Water Cannon
    Drill Cannons
    Loom

    Drill Cannons and Loom can be farmed in the same place. Water Cannon you will have.

    The rest is dodge and using water cannon when he's reflecting magic and Drill Cannon when he's reflecting physical.

    In the last act when he casts Web I run to the edge next in between the whirlwinds and aim my Loom for the centre of the map. I cast as soon as I see the indicator for meteor and cast again a couple of feet away, this gives me control of where the meteor drops and a marker to aim for before I have to react, given the window is tiny.
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Level 5 Doom is handy for deleting raid/dungeon trash, but that's about it.

    Eerie Soundwave also has no clear indicator of what buffs it does/doesn't work on, and I've yet to find any good applications for it outside of the Carnivale.
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    ReiMakoto's Avatar
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    Rei Makato
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Level 5 Doom is handy for deleting raid/dungeon trash, but that's about it.

    Eerie Soundwave also has no clear indicator of what buffs it does/doesn't work on, and I've yet to find any good applications for it outside of the Carnivale.
    Shame about that 3 min cooldown on 5-death though, imagine waiting 3 mins for it and it kills like one thing lol.

    Also yeah EErie Soundwave seems like pure gimmick not worth slotting
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    Savage Completion Rate ~5%+ of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to savage"
    Ultimate Completion Rate ~1% of active players. Community: "Ugh stop catering to the hardcore raiders"
    Frontline/ Rival Wings/ Hidden Gorge Mount Aquisition ~0.05-1% of active players. Community: "Ugh PVP is so dead in this game, they should stop investing in it"
    Blue Mage Morbol Mount Aquisition ~0.01% of active players. Community: "WoW bLuE mAgE iS sO fUn AnD aCtIvE i CaN't WaIt FoR mOrE lImItEd JoBs"

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Level 5 Doom is handy for deleting raid/dungeon trash, but that's about it.

    Eerie Soundwave also has no clear indicator of what buffs it does/doesn't work on, and I've yet to find any good applications for it outside of the Carnivale.
    And I've seen white line cleansable debuffs (disease) that Exuviation DIDN"T remove. It's almost a joke at this point. Here are these great abilities that work on some things, and don't on others. Have a fun!
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    And I've seen white line cleansable debuffs (disease) that Exuviation DIDN"T remove. It's almost a joke at this point. Here are these great abilities that work on some things, and don't on others. Have a fun!
    Exuviation seems to be bugged. I've used it, and its removed several debuffs from myself and others, except this person next to me who it didn't hit. I reused it, it hit them. Other times it won't remove it off me until the 2nd cast when I'm the one using it.
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    Infindox's Avatar
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    How could you post something so controversial, and yet so brave?

    Honestly, I like BLU. I can see and understand why it's limited. Unless they (ironically) limited it, it would get no chance otherwise. I think that people are allowed to make mistakes just as long as they learn from them. And this update seems to be really, really trying to fix what they have wrought. Not quite getting there, but there was an attempt.

    Granted, I wont play it nor will I touch anything Savage- but for what I did, I did enjoy reading the spell book entries and seeing more world building. Like beastmen allowed in Ul'dah because they weren't in the registry for racism.

    It's not an absolutely required piece of content, and seems like a grand ol' time for the niche crowd. And XIV has something for everyone. You can't please everyone, as seen ITT, but I know of a number of people who are pleased with it. So I say let them bumble for off patches. I want to see how they collect data, and add more at later dates.
    I do like BLU for the spell collecting and SOME semblance of choice with picking spells, as well as the Masked Carnavale. The problem is this patch gave a lot of people whiplash. BLU was intended to be a solo experience, or at the very least something you could quickly gather some friends and get spells (barring a few primal ones), as well as being OP as it had to be a limited job. Now they locked things behind content on a Savage level, and once those people interested/capable of doing it get it, very few people will be able to get help doing so. Even people who ARE interested now need to find new statics. This would be all fine if BLU was OP but nah.... Barely got much.
    Not all content is for everyone, but dont suddenly change a "casual" challenge into a savage-level one.
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    I do like BLU for the spell collecting and SOME semblance of choice with picking spells, as well as the Masked Carnavale. The problem is this patch gave a lot of people whiplash. BLU was intended to be a solo experience, or at the very least something you could quickly gather some friends and get spells (barring a few primal ones), as well as being OP as it had to be a limited job. Now they locked things behind content on a Savage level, and once those people interested/capable of doing it get it, very few people will be able to get help doing so. Even people who ARE interested now need to find new statics. This would be all fine if BLU was OP but nah.... Barely got much.
    Not all content is for everyone, but dont suddenly change a "casual" challenge into a savage-level one.
    The request for something challenging to do in groups of BLUs came from the community though. And it's fair to have a (non-mandatory) reward for achieving these feats.

    Also, no, BLU wasn't really intended to be all about solo. People simply got stuck on a few badly translated powerpoint slides and stretched everything to make ridiculous assumptions.
    So, that side-content getting more varied stuff to do (including difficult content) isn't really a surprise. SE never said that BLU was only going to stay within that "casual" zone forever. Especially if the community requests something else.

    In short, one might criticize how they did it, but not the fact that they did it since "we" asked for it.
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    Last edited by Fyce; 12-13-2019 at 01:51 AM.

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    Zephera's Avatar
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    Zephera Mortera
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    Zalera
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    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Also, no, BLU wasn't really intended to be all about solo. People simply got stuck on a few badly translated powerpoint slides and stretched everything to make ridiculous assumptions.
    I keep seeing the "poor translation" excuse being made. It doesn't hold much weight though as the Japanese community expected a solo job and complained just as much as we did with what we got.
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    The request for something challenging to do in groups of BLUs came from the community though. And it's fair to have a (non-mandatory) reward for achieving these feats.

    Also, no, BLU wasn't really intended to be all about solo. People simply got stuck on a few badly translated powerpoint slides and stretched everything to make ridiculous assumptions.
    So, that side-content getting more varied stuff to do (including difficult content) isn't really a surprise. SE never said that BLU was only going to stay within that "casual" zone forever. Especially if the community requests something else.

    In short, one might criticize how they did it, but not the fact that they did it since "we" asked for it.
    I think you're pretty clear on it with the "we" but just in case, we is nebulous as some of "we" didn't want that. No echo PF blue is opposite direction of what I was hoping a limited blue would go (I mean DF-able blue would have been awesome but if it HAD to be limited non-df being shoved further into the PF was not where I wanted to go).

    Like I said I think you were basically saying some of us, "we", but just to be clear like we as a community all didn't ask for that- only some of us and from my reading it wasn't the majority "we" either asking for that. Obviously most just wanted DF, but I think solo power was a higher ask than no echo PF (having read most of the OF blue threads at least).

    Edit:

    Just to note I'm okay with 100% drop chance if you sync concept (I actually suggested that before it came out), but I was clear when I suggested that before that it would be in lieu of being able to ALSO solo said content (but having the chance you'd have to do it a few times). So they took half the suggestion and went further down a path I was trying to avoid lol.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 12-13-2019 at 04:15 AM. Reason: bone apple tea

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    Light Khah
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    The request for something challenging to do in groups of BLUs came from the community though. And it's fair to have a (non-mandatory) reward for achieving these feats.

    Also, no, BLU wasn't really intended to be all about solo. People simply got stuck on a few badly translated powerpoint slides and stretched everything to make ridiculous assumptions.
    https://i.imgur.com/b6wWLso.png

    This is an offical slide from the liveletter. Its says that its a job designed for solo play and not suited for parties. Just because some translator on reddit thinks that it could mean something else does not change that on the official slide it simply says that it was designed for solo play. And now 90% of what it is, is group play. Only carneval and some skills are solo, the rest not.

    If it was just leveling then this would account to every job too because you can just level them outside of instances and solo as well. That should not make it a special point on a slide.
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