Early Vs Delay Openers

[Oxdarock]

from the math ive done DRG actually deals far more damage at 2.34 GCD, but the problem is Theory ends up only working in a vaccum so its not (To Much De-syncing. . The Best Opener so far for DRG, is

True Thrust + Potion < Disembowel + Dragon Sight + Lance Charge < Chaos Thrust + True North + Litany < Wheeling + High Jump < Fang + Geirskogul + Dive < Raiden + Spineshatter < Vorpal + Life Surge < Full Thrust + Dragon Fire <=

This is currently the opener people are using for DRG for the Early Opener, So your observation about High Jump is 100% Correct.

I think its this way because SE Didn't intend people to double weave Lance Charge and Litany in the Opener. it weirds me out everytime i think about it lol.

Yeah, I can see that. Aside from more casts over a fight due to higher sks (as well as more auto-attack and DoT damage), the faster tiers makes it easier to hit 9 GCDs within DRG's buff windows (mind you, I'm not telling people where to place their stat priority). I've read that desyncing starts to become an issue at higher speeds, but also that there's a specific method on how to realign your buffs based on the Disembowel duration, so I guess it becomes a matter of preference.

But yeah, glad to see that my observation was correct, though I'm a bit worried about the BL placement. If it's for the sake of raid utility, then I get it, but not having that up for CT can't be good for DRG's damage. ^^; Still curious about the placement of the other oGCDs if there's a RDM in the party though, but thank you for clearing that up.

[Zerathor]

I guess sarcasm really is hard to read online to be fair...

[BloodRubyXII]

I guess sarcasm really is hard to read online to be fair...

I actually feel bad for laughing.

[AthenasSpear1995]

Your math and comparison technique is flawed.
You cant say that the delayed opener is higher potency than the already made opener when your timelines include winddown/unbuffed gcds for dragoon and all the other classes so far as part of your "comparison". It fudges the numbers.
Using your sheets and going for potency per second (pps) of the actual opener for dragoon you come up with 457.6 pps over the actual period of the opener while your delayed opener comes out to 430 pps.
Same can be said for all other classes
Balance RDM opener: 310.4 pps Yours: 276.6 pps
Balance NIN opener: 613.3 pps Yours: 509.6 pps
PLEASEEE stop spreading misinformation
*UPDATE*
Balance BRD 285.7 yours 279

[Oxdarock]

Your math and comparison technique is flawed.
You cant say that the delayed opener is higher potency than the already made opener when your timelines include winddown/unbuffed gcds for dragoon and all the other classes so far as part of your "comparison". It fudges the numbers.
Using your sheets and going for potency per second (pps) of the actual opener for dragoon you come up with 457.6 pps over the actual period of the opener while your delayed opener comes out to 430 pps.
Same can be said for all other classes
Balance RDM opener: 310.4 pps Yours: 276.6 pps
Balance NIN opener: 613.3 pps Yours: 509.6 pps
PLEASEEE stop spreading misinformation
*UPDATE*
Balance BRD 285.7 yours 279

You can't make a comparison between openers without putting them in under similar situations. All openers are done under a 36 second time frame and are able to get a similar number of GCDs and oGCDs out within it. The same way the Early opener comparisons contain GCDs towards the end that are unbuffed, the Delayed openers contain GCDs that are unbuffed in the beginning. If it seems like some comparison tables for the Early openers have more GCDs unbuffed towards the end than unbuffed GCDs in the Delayed ones, then that's the fault of the raid alignment and that's what I'm trying to point out to people.

If you put two players using the same class and similar GCD rotations but different oGCD timings together side by side on a striking dummy, then if one gets more oGCDs out than the other, then naturally it does more damage. However, if both manage to get the same number of GCDs out, then the deciding factor becomes buff alignment, in which case, more buffs over more GCDs and oGCDs equals more damage.

But I've only just covered four classes and two managed to balance themselves out while the other are in favor of Delayed openers. I'll be sure to cover more in the future, so look forward to it.

[Neela]

got the feeling misinformation is getting trendy lately... : /

[KDSilver]

You should open a discord named the Bole.

[Akiudo]

You should open a discord named the Bole.

you literally made me spill my coffee... you owe me a new one

[Oxdarock]

You should open a discord named the Bole.

I appreciate the flattery, you know, since the Bole actually gives a damage buff now. But I'm just a simple MNK using simple math to try and get people to think outside the box.

[Satarn]

But I'm just a simple MNK using simple math to try and get people to cater to buffing my preferred, sub-optimal TK playstyle.

Fixed that for ya.