What's wrong with SCH and how I envision a rework

[Marikya]

I would pref. this 100x over the current SCH.

[IllyaPrisma]

I personally don’t understand why a SCH reword is necessary... you say “they took so much stuff away from the fairy”, but Selene was already very niche and hardly used prior to ShB. The Fairy is also an inherently overpowered aspect of SCH, and has been a troublesome point of balance for SE. An infinite, independent regen from a tool that also provides displacement healing and a powerful cooldowns is not weak....

Sch is still the strongest healer, partially due to how broken Sacred Soil is right now, but a rework just isn’t necessary.

You want more damaging abilities? SE doesn’t want that for healers. Any of them. You get 1 spam GCD, 1 DoT, and 1 AoE. Theory crafting possible solutions to a job that is functioning quite well at the moment seems silly.

[IllyaPrisma]

I personally don’t understand why a SCH reword is necessary... you say “they took so much stuff away from the fairy”, but Selene was already very niche and hardly used prior to ShB. The Fairy is also an inherently overpowered aspect of SCH, and has been a troublesome point of balance for SE. An infinite, independent regen from a tool that also provides displacement healing and powerful cooldowns is not weak....

Sch is still the strongest healer, partially due to how broken Sacred Soil is right now, but a rework just isn’t necessary.

You want more damaging abilities? SE doesn’t want that for healers. Any of them. You get 1 spam GCD, 1 DoT, and 1 AoE. Theory crafting possible solutions to a job that is functioning quite well at the moment seems silly.

[Billythepancake]

I personally don’t understand why a SCH reword is necessary... you say “they took so much stuff away from the fairy”, but Selene was already very niche and hardly used prior to ShB. The Fairy is also an inherently overpowered aspect of SCH, and has been a troublesome point of balance for SE. An infinite, independent regen from a tool that also provides displacement healing and a powerful cooldowns is not weak....

Sch is still the strongest healer, partially due to how broken Sacred Soil is right now, but a rework just isn’t necessary.

You want more damaging abilities? SE doesn’t want that for healers. Any of them. You get 1 spam GCD, 1 DoT, and 1 AoE. Theory crafting possible solutions to a job that is functioning quite well at the moment seems silly.

You know what else was niche? Titan on SMN. Outside of some solo instances, you would never use him. (And even then it was hardly worth using) but come ShB they don't have Titan removed, they got to keep him so why cant we keep Selene? If the problem is that she's too niche then give her a moveset that isn't niche, or give her more content where you can take advantage of her moveset.

I genuinely don't see how it was "op", it allowed the 2 healers heal less, but, that's the entire point. Nerfing it to the point where it does practically nothing makes it nothing more than a glorified oGCD that barely works because of the ridiculous delay.

If SE doesn't want more damage abilities, then give healers more to do when there's no healing to do. DPS abilities make the most sense because this is a game where DPS is the only thing that matters, you spend 80-90% of your time as a healer DPSing, so adding more DPS abilities would be the simplest, but please, I'm all for something else to fill that time, because spamming 1 1000 times gets old real fast.

[IllyaPrisma]

“Practically nothing”. Okay buddy...

I’m dumbfounded by people who think the fairy is weak. The endless regen that alleviates healing for both healers... and yet people are still confused when they see fairy nerfs... this is the weakest iteration of the fairy so far, and it’s still incredibly strong.

Healers have basic DPS tools. Sorry to inform you of this. Tanks also have basic DPS tools, with one streamlined combo, and only a few damaging cooldowns. Homogenization is the current balancing platform SE is exploring for healers. You can’t give a bunch of fancy new tools to SCH to make the job more exciting, without giving similar tools to the other two.

[Grimoire-M]

You can’t give a bunch of fancy new tools to SCH to make the job more exciting, without giving similar tools to the other two.

The Healer forum has been clamouring for reworks since 5.0, this is an assumption you should have been able to make upon reading this thread.

[Billythepancake]

3k hp is practically nothing when everyone is rocking 90k+ and up with tanks at 130k and you have no say on who she heals. Is she going to hell the tank who is taking autos and could actually use the heal or is she going to heal the dps missing 100 hp? Hell if I know I have no say. The only content where her embrace makes a visible, sizable, difference is in low level content where the tanks are already taking so little damage that no other healer would ever need to do anything other than stop once every 2-3 minutes to use an oGCD, or if they don't have one yet, their weakest heal. wow so broken. When will the fairy not be OP? When they're healing for 0? When they're hurting themselves by just existing? And the weak thing doesn't even just refer to her embrace being pathetic, it's the fact they also decided to make all of her abilities oGCDs AND not responsive. But I guess the fairy actually using abilities when you told her was also op? Imagine, pressing a button and an ability happening instantly, so broken.

If you want to compare healers to tanks, I've recently gotten GNB to 80, and it's night and day compared to any healer. Yes they have a basic 1-2-3 combo, but there's so much to do and track outside of that combo I always feel engaged. If they can have that on top of their tank buttons I don't see why healers can't handle more broil/malefic/glare.

I can't think of any SCH that would deny WHM/AST any new tools to play around with, but this thread was about SCH so of course people are focusing on SCH. I'd 100% be okay with WHM and AST getting more to do (or in AST's case, having their card system fixed which seems to be the main problem with them)

[CrimsonGunner]

“Practically nothing”. Okay buddy...

I’m dumbfounded by people who think the fairy is weak. The endless regen that alleviates healing for both healers... and yet people are still confused when they see fairy nerfs... this is the weakest iteration of the fairy so far, and it’s still incredibly strong.

Healers have basic DPS tools. Sorry to inform you of this. Tanks also have basic DPS tools, with one streamlined combo, and only a few damaging cooldowns. Homogenization is the current balancing platform SE is exploring for healers. You can’t give a bunch of fancy new tools to SCH to make the job more exciting, without giving similar tools to the other two.

1 skill isn't basic dps tools or a combo tanks got and if tanks got what the healers got ,you won't find tanks in party finders at all that will gladly play and press one button the entire run.
as for fairy nerfs comment, people are confused cause it isn't buffs/nerfs people want SE to give to the fairy, its to actually fix her responses and delays/ghosting issues which it didn't do or even made a reply about said issues.

and lastly do you think that people wish to give shiny new tools just for scholars,read the forum and threads here and you will see no one here asks for just 1 healer,all 3 need love from SE while WHM has a somewhat decent kit compare to the other 2 it doesn't mean its good, it still need some more love put in his kit.

[IllyaPrisma]

SE has shown they want to avoid any sort of complexity with Healer DPS, regardless of what forum ragers cry about. Give SCH and the other two more options for damage dealing, and all of sudden:

“Where’s your Shadowflare?”
“You aren’t refreshing all of your DoTs or you’re clipping too much”
“You aren’t using your DPS skills properly”

You give healers better more intricate tools for dealing damage, and sure it will make things more fun. But it also raises the expectation for Healers to not only DPS, but optimize their DPS efficiently. Granted, myself and many others would enjoy this optimization, but that does not align with SEs current goals.

[WaxSw]

“Practically nothing”. Okay buddy...

I’m dumbfounded by people who think the fairy is weak. The endless regen that alleviates healing for both healers... and yet people are still confused when they see fairy nerfs... this is the weakest iteration of the fairy so far, and it’s still incredibly strong.

Healers have basic DPS tools. Sorry to inform you of this. Tanks also have basic DPS tools, with one streamlined combo, and only a few damaging cooldowns. Homogenization is the current balancing platform SE is exploring for healers. You can’t give a bunch of fancy new tools to SCH to make the job more exciting, without giving similar tools to the other two.

Embrace alleviates nothing, 3k hp on a target that you cannot choose is meaningless when any single target mechanic hits for way more than that, it doesnt even come close to cover a quarter of the damage of auto attacks in savage/ultimate, the fairy is only valuable right now for their cooldowns (which doesn't give sch any advante since they are normal cds), seraph (which again, any extra advantage to sch since its a normal ogcd) and dissipation. I remember how in Sb you had to think a bit when to use dissipation but right now eos/selene is so weak that you can use dissipation on cooldown without almost any drawback.

Tanks have a combo, healers doesnt have any, tanks have damaging cds, healers doesnt have any (with the exception of ed) if both must have the same "basic dps tools" then healers should be asking for those tools that we are missing, Where is my requiescant window? Where is no mercy? inner release? where is my 1-2-3 combo?

And note I've been saying healers, not sch, because we want that treatment to all the healers not only scholars.