I feel like there should be a limit on how often an item's price can be changed.

[KageTokage]

That or something else to deter the recent prevalence of people using bots to undercut people automatically 24/7, because it's getting seriously frustrating.

There's a DoH/L bot on my server spends his time after each unspoiled node sitting at the retainer bell until the next one spawns, constantly monitoring the prices of all his items and immediately undercutting anyone who has something listed lower then him by one gil.

It makes it virtually impossible to push sales when they're able to perpetually maintain the lowest prices on the MB (Save for the odd instance where they hit their "price floor" they refuse to go below and stop undercutting).

[Callinon]

That or something else to deter the recent prevalence of people using bots to undercut people automatically 24/7, because it's getting seriously frustrating.

There's a DoH/L bot on my server spends his time after each unspoiled node sitting at the retainer bell until the next one spawns, constantly monitoring the prices of all his items and immediately undercutting anyone who has something listed lower then him by one gil.

It makes it virtually impossible to push sales when they're able to perpetually maintain the lowest prices on the MB (Save for the odd instance where they hit their "price floor" they refuse to go below and stop undercutting).

Undercut them and then buy them out when they attempt to undercut you. I'd also be wary of accusing someone of operating a bot if you aren't 100% certain. Just because someone can do something like this efficiently doesn't mean they're botting.

[KageTokage]

Undercut them and then buy them out when they attempt to undercut you. I'd also be wary of accusing someone of operating a bot if you aren't 100% certain. Just because someone can do something like this efficiently doesn't mean they're botting.

There's a difference between simply being dedicated and being active and online literally 24/7. I've regularly witnessed this guy behaving in this manner on a constant loop for 12+ hours straight. Doesn't matter if it's 5 AM in the morning or 5 PM in the afternoon. He's still there doing an endless loop of gathering from unspoiled nodes then adjusting prices.

Buying him out doesn't work either because he immediately relists new items whenever they sell. This type of bot spends most of its time gathering then goes on a crafting binge maybe one or two days a week and creates several copies of every relevant piece of gear.

[Callinon]

There's a difference between simply being dedicated and being active and online literally 24/7. I've regularly witnessed this guy behaving in this manner on a constant loop for 12+ hours straight. Doesn't matter if it's 5 AM in the morning or 5 PM in the afternoon. He's still there doing an endless loop of gathering from unspoiled nodes then adjusting prices.

Buying him out doesn't work either because he immediately relists new items whenever they sell. This type of bot spends most of its time gathering then goes on a crafting binge maybe one or two days a week and creates several copies of every relevant piece of gear.

Sounds like a good source of cheap product to resell, or to process into something else and then sell. If you can always force it to undercut you, then you are in control of the price.

[KageTokage]

The undercut bots can set a price floor they won't go under. In his case, it seems to be 150K on most of the 5.05 crafts.

It's really only exploitable for profit if the bot in question is not relisting items very often, but he's doing it every five minutes or so.

[Nanami_Naniwa]

When I'm bored I check and relist all my items in a 15 minute intervall. So I wouldn't be very happy with that change Besides there wouldn't be any way to control it. If you can't manually adjust, you could always remove the item and list it anew. It would just be more annoying than it already is to adjust prices... I'm playing on PS4 and readjusting prices for like 20 - 60 items is..... time consuming.

[KageTokage]

I guess the best fix would just be to ban these players...except I've already reported one of them several times since the late HW days and they're still at it.

The market for crafted/gathered items is just doomed to be dominated by bots I suppose.

[Edax]

The undercut bots can set a price floor they won't go under. In his case, it seems to be 150K on most of the 5.05 crafts.

It's really only exploitable for profit if the bot in question is not relisting items very often, but he's doing it every five minutes or so.

Then sell things for 149,999 gil.

[Canadane]

There's a difference between simply being dedicated and being active and online literally 24/7. I've regularly witnessed this guy behaving in this manner on a constant loop for 12+ hours straight.

So basically you were both doing the same thing for 12+ hours straight.
That's not really evidence. Especially since you would be right there alongside him.

[Nixxe]

For all the claims that botting the MB is rampant, I've never seen any good evidence of it. Even when I directly invade the markets of people who are supposedly botting, I find they're really easy to beat and they just happen to be kind of active, making a few undercuts per day, which isn't even as many as I make when I'm really invested in this game and spend the whole day playing or whatever.

What I routinely see evidence of is that many casual MB users are instantly aggravated by any interaction with the MB and have a tendency to exaggerate how much of a problem it is because they're thoroughly upset. The system shouldn't be ruined for their benefit though, if it would even for their benefit. I definitely make items in large batches, so I often have more in my inventory I'm just waiting to post. If undercutting was limited, you'd post your item and I'd simply "undercut" by making a new post. The end result is a minor inconvenience for me and you're shut out of the market because you can't adjust the price of your item.