Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[Crushnight]

Beastmaster i could see being a full fled job rather than limited based on Ran'jit, his winged serpent is his aether made manifest due to his fighting style, could easily have a fighting style that uses monsters in a short burst or 1 off attack every so often, the way i see it could be a job with a simple combo but loads of ogcds or on the gcd cds for these 'monster' attacks.

[Auryan]

But how they'd actually handle it is very, very relevant to the topic.

Not for this thread. Which is what I meant about derailment and arguing.

For discussion about those topics try the "Rework BLU" or "BLU for roulettes and raids" (hope I got that one right).

[Vahlnir]

Not for this thread. Which is what I meant about derailment and arguing.

For discussion about those topics try the "Rework BLU" or "BLU for roulettes and raids" (hope I got that one right).

But it's not about BLU. This is about Beastmaster. Yeah, the OP threw some ideas out there. That's great. But people are skeptical of another limited job because of how they designed (and severely limited) the last one. It's a bit of a touchy subject. Ideas are a good thing. In fact, I like some of what the OP suggested. However, that also makes people wonder how it could actually happen and they only have one job to base their train of thought on, which is currently BLU. That is where I'm coming from and probably where some others are too. But we appear to be going in a bit of a circle. Let's just agree to disagree to avoid actually derailing the thread.

[Auryan]

What I have been thinking for LJ BST is give it a psuedo reputation bar for every genus. You gain "rep" by fighting alongside or raising a member of that family. The higher the relationship, the stronger the pet. Maybe even an ultimate version.

For example: crabs are tanky wavekin. Get it to max rep with that genus and you get access to, I don't know, Courier Carrie that has not only a unique look, but also moveset.

[Auryan]

Then make a separate thread and call it "No limited BST" and do whatever you want with it. Don't hijack a thread and try to rationalize it. At least not to me.

[Gula]

I gave you an upvote!

Don't pay the backlash against limited jobs much mind, there's a lot of people who like them - myself included. As I see it, they're not too different to FSH. Basically more of a mini-game than an actual job but valuable all the same to those who enjoy such things in RPG's.

I predict that once the limited job system is cemented with a second limited job more people will recognise that there's plenty of room for niche content. I don't ever intend to do the ultimate raids, though I wouldn't want them removed just because they're niche content.

This man speaks truth. Or, woman playing a man. I dunno. But whatever! If there was never any experimentation or improving on past mistakes, FFXIV would not be anywhere close to where it is today.

[TheMightyMollusk]

In the interest of discussion: What if, instead of being combat-aimed, BST was a Disciple of the Land? The story would be focused on rediscovering and conserving species endangered or thought lost to the Calamity or other disasters. By finding their nests out in the open world, you could use a series of actions (similar to a botanist or miner manipulating their gathering rate, HQ rate, etc) to fill in a bestiary log, perhaps culminating in gaining that animal as a minion or mount. At higher levels, you could participate in an animal show of sorts, perhaps earning rewards like themed glamour gear or barding. Maybe even housing items like cages or pens to show off your favorites.

[Shriv]

In the interest of discussion: What if, instead of being combat-aimed, BST was a Disciple of the Land? The story would be focused on rediscovering and conserving species endangered or thought lost to the Calamity or other disasters. By finding their nests out in the open world, you could use a series of actions (similar to a botanist or miner manipulating their gathering rate, HQ rate, etc) to fill in a bestiary log, perhaps culminating in gaining that animal as a minion or mount. At higher levels, you could participate in an animal show of sorts, perhaps earning rewards like themed glamour gear or barding. Maybe even housing items like cages or pens to show off your favorites.

I like that idea, could be a nice alternative to gain some "wild" crafting materials whitout having to resort in mass murdering so and so beasts.

[He-Saiyan]

Well, excuse me for posting. Didn't realize I would get so much negativity. Anyway for the moderators to just remove this topic then. Obviously, it is of no interest to anyone.

The loudest always seem like a majoirty. So, people who vote up threads against limited jobs seem like a majority, because people like myself who don't care do not vote in these threads. Not every player who plays an mmo post on the forums.

BST was always a solo job. A dev on the FFXI forums explained the original design for BST. Here you go

"The original concept of beastmaster was a frontline job based around Charming monsters to turn the tide of battle.
The process of Charming would sometimes result in direct combat with the monster, so beastmaster was given the equipment and damage output to thrive until they succeeded in gaining control over a monster.

As time went on, Battlefield content became the main focus of the game.
This was difficult to enjoy as a beastmaster as many BFs do not feature monsters that can be Charmed.
Our solution was the addition of Call Beast and broth items, which allowed players to call out monsters as obedient pets.
These pets always obeyed commands, providing a sort of consumable battle resource for beastmaster and stabilized the state of the job.
Things were good up until this point."

Granted FFXI is a different game. DRK was a DD in that game, but a tank in FFXIV. However, BST is not a standard DD. It is a hybrid job. Based upon BST mechanics in the past FF MMO, and even games like FFV, BST should be, imo, a solo limited job.

Jug pets are a huge handicap to BST, because it limits their bestiary. On the other hand, charming will be too OP for dungeons. BST will be exploited big time in dungeons with the ability to charm creatures.

Welcome to FFXI by the way, because this is now their problem. They took away charm, attempting to make BST a group job, and it failed miserably. XIV devs are learning from XI past mistakes.

[Brightshadow]

Well, excuse me for posting. Didn't realize I would get so much negativity. Anyway for the moderators to just remove this topic then. Obviously, it is of no interest to anyone.

It's not negativity many of us just don't agree with the idea of limited jobs.

I personally think Limited Jobs are a very bad idea in it's current implementation, side content for jobs like the masked carnival sure, but being banned from essential partying tools (Duty Finder) and being below the current cap isn't exactly the best of ideas in my opinion.