Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[Jandor]

Doubt many would "calm down" if the limited job moniker was removed or changed. It wouldn't change that we want to actually play blue mage in the game as a whole instead of just as a piece of side content.

To be fair, if they are planning to expand the amount of limited jobs we have then I would appreciate a better term than limited job.

Disciples of Knowledge maybe? To reflect that BLU, and maybe later BST and PUP, are essentially collectathons for various fields of study. Spells, animals and mechanical creations.

If they kept their level caps the same as each other, gave them their own DoK DF, and let them into other old side content like deep dungeons and squads, then I could get on board with the concept.

[ReiMakoto]

Remove the "Limited job" moniker and people will calm down. Everyone thinks theyd main blu mage but thats a self imposed lie. Havin another caster put in would throw everything off balance much more if its the way blu works. Just add more content to it. I wouldnt mind Beast Master as an "Extra job"

I had fun with BLU, still do. I like it as is. These forums arent a good representation of what people want. Just look at how vastly critizised Eureka was in difference to how people actually recieved it. The proof is in the data

What do you mean by self imposed lie? I'd certainly main BLU if it was a realy job as its my favourite job in the franchise, also sure if they threw in blu as it is now it would cause problems, but you know they could balance some of the abilities right, its so close to being balanced anyway it basically just plays like a normal dps 90% of the time in dps mimicry with an inflated output due to the mimicry buff.

[Stormfur]

Yoshida gave an example that if they made Blu a full on job then parties for raid and what not would then have stuff like "you must have so and so skill to join as blu," and beastmaster would be on the same boat as you would need to tame and train your beasts.

But...that's kind of how it is now anyway...at least with the more streamlined classes, you obviously have to have done all the stuff leading up to that, have the right gear at the right level and such. Except instead of the focus being on gear, it's on spells (or beasts). I guess I'm sort of missing what the difference is... "don't join this party unless you have such-and-such spell"is no different than party finder set at such-and-such level. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

[ReiMakoto]

To be fair, if they are planning to expand the amount of limited jobs we have then I would appreciate a better term than limited job.

Disciples of Knowledge maybe? To reflect that BLU, and maybe later BST and PUP, are essentially collectathons for various fields of study. Spells, animals and mechanical creations.

If they kept their level caps the same as each other, gave them their own DoK DF, and let them into other old side content like deep dungeons and squads, then I could get on board with the concept.

Im in serious doubt as to how on earth theyre going to to do mulitple limited jobs without the content being too samey/too much effort. Theyve said in the past they did the blu the way it is partly because it'd be too difficult to balance and maintain it (horse shit but I digress), but having multiple limited jobs having to be balanced against each other, with new content for each of them seems like too much of an undertaking for them as theyre essentially creating more work for themselves exponentially with each new limited job. Unless (and this is just a spurious speculation), they only maintain one limited job at a time, I.E. release blue, level cap of 50, slowly work up to level cap of 70, then from 70 onwards it operates as a normal job with the option of doing the limited stuff as a side activity, then they bring in a new limited job, with new limited content that starts with cap of 60 and works its way up to 80 ect ect.

[Kytrin]

To be fair, if they are planning to expand the amount of limited jobs we have then I would appreciate a better term than limited job.

Disciples of Knowledge maybe? To reflect that BLU, and maybe later BST and PUP, are essentially collectathons for various fields of study. Spells, animals and mechanical creations.

If they kept their level caps the same as each other, gave them their own DoK DF, and let them into other old side content like deep dungeons and squads, then I could get on board with the concept.

I really like that idea. They could even make it something the BLU mages set up to integrate it into the world more seamlessly? Like, maybe what's-his-name you unlock BLU with does well enough with the carnival that he elects to retire and begins learning about other disciplines that pull from many fields of study?

It would certainly make the whole idea more palatable than the idea that the devs wasted everyone's time making a job you can't play fully simply because some of the fanbase was frothing at the mouth over it.

But...that's kind of how it is now anyway...at least with the more streamlined classes, you obviously have to have done all the stuff leading up to that, have the right gear at the right level and such. Except instead of the focus being on gear, it's on spells (or beasts). I guess I'm sort of missing what the difference is... "don't join this party unless you have such-and-such spell"is no different than party finder set at such-and-such level. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

No, you're right. I think at the time they were trying to keep people from being excluded from content just because they hadn't gotten some super rare spell to drop from a primal yet. Which is noble, but slightly idiotic. You get that on normal jobs where parties scream and cry that they don't want this, that, or the other job for whatever reason. Or set minimum requirements. If you're not up to snuff then you're sol. Time to go back and keep farming. THEN you can run.

They may also have some actual issues with some stuff being obscenely overpowered, but that's a different topic.

[Auryan]

To be fair, if they are planning to expand the amount of limited jobs we have then I would appreciate a better term than limited job.

Disciples of Knowledge maybe? To reflect that BLU, and maybe later BST and PUP, are essentially collectathons for various fields of study. Spells, animals and mechanical creations.

If they kept their level caps the same as each other, gave them their own DoK DF, and let them into other old side content like deep dungeons and squads, then I could get on board with the concept.

I like that. DoK alongside DoM/DoW and DoL/DoH. You can sorta already get the impression that these three (BLU, BST, PUP) are already connected from the 5.15 BLU story update. If just in a very vague sense.

Would also save a lot of time and resource by not constantly creating a MC-esque piece of content for each of them and instead share it and place content that appeals to all of them.

I would like them to work out the deep dungeons for solo too. I'm thinking the way BLU learns its skills is the problem there.

[Jandor]

I'm in serious doubt as to how on earth they're going to to do multiple limited jobs without the content being too samey/too much effort. They've said in the past they did the BLU the way it is partly because it'd be too difficult to balance and maintain it (horse shit but I digress), but having multiple limited jobs having to be balanced against each other, with new content for each of them seems like too much of an undertaking for them as they're essentially creating more work for themselves exponentially with each new limited job.

I was thinking Disciple of Knowledge (DoK) content would all get rolled in together.

You would able to take on the carnivale with any DoK job, you'd be able to queue for any content at or below the DoK level cap in the DoK finder, you'd take on the recycled end-game challenges in mixed DoK parties.

I'm not going to say it's my ideal outcome, but a sort of side content pseudo-endgame where the focus is on weird jobs using weird skills to get unusual rewards does have some genuine appeal to me.
Could use some reason to keep doing it after the initial first month rush has worn off though.

[Daemius]

But...that's kind of how it is now anyway...at least with the more streamlined classes, you obviously have to have done all the stuff leading up to that, have the right gear at the right level and such. Except instead of the focus being on gear, it's on spells (or beasts). I guess I'm sort of missing what the difference is... "don't join this party unless you have such-and-such spell"is no different than party finder set at such-and-such level. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

It's significantly different. A BLU with proper spells functions vastly different than someone coming in with just world mob jank or even just water cannon.

A slightly undergeared person can at still be in asset if they're a competent player.

A BLU missing certain spells/with a jank loadout is almost completely useless and alters the encounter significantly, even if they are otherwise decent at the game.

[Saix027]

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Well then maybe it was a bad idea overall to implent such or cut it so it fits in this game simply i say.
If i want lets say Son Goku in Smash Bros i also have to accept he is balanced out for the game and cut down to some signatur moves.

I mean seriously, those who wanted Bluemage, did they really expect it would work normaly like in any other game in an MMO of all places?
Balance is needed, if people want it or not, or else you end up with a to much clear meta, if you gut one DD as example people will only use the other, so why even have variety then with more classes as example, you need to find balance between gameplay and fun, while it also fits in the game.

And not gets special treatment like this while other classes not got development due people were to busy with a limited job with a extra system, taking resources and server space.

[Hanayumi]

Yeah basically what we see now with folks requiring blu to have certain skills to run content would be a lot worse if it was a fully open job. Right now its not that problematic since its side content and totally optional, not to mention a challenge, so i sure devs arent too worried about that aspect. As for beastmaster, personally think it'd work fairly well as a full job, picturing a melee smn for the most part, give it a whip or spear, a couple of monsters to call upon maybe a "greater call" that can summon in boss like monster for a short while kinda thing. Think if we do see a limited beastmaster, id just be a lot more "pokemon" also think would use a lot of blu's content, carnival and such, maybe could party up with blu the achievement stuff. Blu as a limited job actually doesnt use that much resources as people make it seem, now that devs developed the learn system a lot..... of it is just reused assets, copy skill from monster, paste on character kinda deal, lol. So yeah if they made the tame and train system, bst would pretty much be the same way.