Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[Gula]

Asking for anything limited is bad. Otherwise they’ll start doing limited everything and think people are okay with it.

No. That's not how it works. Like at all. In fact that's incredibly daft to think, given how this game has devs that actually listen.

You are thinking of it as one mistake means you should never, ever try again. Which is, as I said, daft. You burnt your first cake, oops. Why are you not allowed to try again and improve where you failed?

[RyuDragnier]

Why can Bard play real life music and even player made songs for other players and is still able to participate in pve and pvp content?

False equivalence. Bard playing those songs does not effect battles. Beastmaster controlling monsters does, due to their ability to control almost everything.

FFV, there was barely anything they couldn't control.
FFX-2, they had a singular pet they controlled and everything they did was a command to the pet, they themselves did not attack at all.
FFXI, similar to FFX-2 in that you could only have one pet out (though you could get multiples I believe) and the pets did the majority of the attacking. AI had control here for the most part, and the pet could grab aggro. Due to how the pet system works right now in FFXIV, I don't believe that'll be possible.
FFTA and FFTA-2, you could control a monster for a single turn only. That was all a Beastmaster could do, control enemies.

While you could make a case for them being a melee pet class, the problem persists in that you'd have to choose which monsters they'd be able to pull out and use, and that the pet would be doing the majority of the attacking (unless they create a large amount of attacks for the Beastmaster themselves). They'd probably copy a number of Summoner's pet actions (Egi Assault I, Egi Assault II, Enkindle, etc) and put a different icon on it.

[Kisshu]

FFXI, similar to FFX-2 in that you could only have one pet out (though you could get multiples I believe) and the pets did the majority of the attacking. AI had control here for the most part, and the pet could grab aggro. Due to how the pet system works right now in FFXIV, I don't believe that'll be possible.

That's a major simplification of it. First off, BST got an A+ rating in axes which means they're the best of any jobs to use that weapon. So they can do a lot of damage on their own.

BST worked by you charming a pet in the zone and have it fight besides you, or that was the plan. But due to charm not always working, people fighting monsters many levels above them and pets not getting any accuracy/attack bonuses meant that the BST pet would either not do a lot(miss or weak attacks) or the BST would have to charm a strong pet(levels above the BST) but that would screw with the party's exp gain.

Those were some of the factors that forced BST to be a solo job, so they had to adapt. Pitting a strong, charmed pet against a strong monster and work in a way that the BST didn't get hit while killing the monster.
Later jog pets were introduced which were summoned, timed pets.

What you described above with the pets doing most of the damage is much more akin to the FFXI summoner than anything(and FFXI SMN had to go around to gather avatars to actually be able to do anything meaningful).

[Kahnom]

I don’t mind limited job as long as I don’t have to farm beast from primal fight over and over and over ....

[Magnedeus]

NO. More. Limited. Jobs. Why should i waste my time with a job the only goes up to lvl 50 and you can't do dungeons with it?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I love the idea of Beastmaster in FFXIV, but looking back at Summoner....how many pets will we get, and will they get balanced so that they are ALL valuable Even if situational?

Titan was pretty useless and it was suppose to be a tank. Also....what's the Role and the weapon?
I'm sure another new tank would be amazing, but it's probly gonna be better as a dps.

Or a pipedream...it could be the 1st all rounder and get 1-2 pets that turn you into a healer

[He-Saiyan]

I doubt any career XI BST would trust SE handling this job as anything but limited. We seen this movie before, and it aint pretty lol. You think they are confused with SMN? How about a job more complicated than SMN? SMN is simplistic compared to BST; and they still managed to get silly with that one.

BST was actually fine as a solo job in XI. A job that did not group, but pretty much soloed their own gear, soloed their own BCNMs, etc. When they shifted towards group content, this is when the BST waters got very muddy.

Taming was a thing of the past, due to the mechanics of dungeons or group content. So we got jugs. Having jugs severely limited our bestiary. The powerful creatures we could tame like scorpions were a thing of the past. Now, we are depending on the devs to re-release our more powerful pets, but they never really did that.

Not only that, but they nerfed the distance BST could use monster abilities after about 14 years, because BST was now a group job. Being a group job, you now adhere to the "Balance" standard; or their standard of balance.

Other jobs complained, so BST got nerfed. If BST never shifted towards group content, this may not have happened imo. BST was perfectly fine & capable of soloing content, or grouping with other BST.

I am not saying the people who want group BST are wrong, but history shows, this most likely will not end well....The irony? Many BST back then were yelling "Make BST a group job," they got what they wanted. It just wasn't what they expected....

[dinnertime]

...Or the devs could...you know...design Beastmaster in its own FFXIV twist like every other non-limited job, like Summoner for example, which is actually fun in this game unlike its certain other FF MMO counterpart.

It's always nice to see them break the mold from the traditional turn-based FF job design with the jobs in FFXIV, and I'm still disappointed they didn't do it with Blue Mage because the devs were too worried about the purists, that probably don't even like FFXIV's gameplay in the first place, not appreciating how the traditional job gimmicks would translate to the game's different combat style.

[Kazrah]

...Or the devs could...you know...design Beastmaster in its own FFXIV twist like every other non-limited job, like Summoner for example, which is actually fun in this game unlike its certain other FF MMO counterpart.

They could do that as something like an indirect damage combatant that calls beasts in for attacks. I'd think something more like Ace Ventura at the climax of the second movie.

That being said, you'd still have crybaby XI fans whining because it's not their Beastmaster with that stupid outdated lion tamer look and systems that would only work in XI and not XIV. It's because of those particular sufferers of Final Fantasy Syndrome that we have Limited Jobs: they're the compromise between those unreasonable demand and realistic application.

As for the OP, I voted it up since I don't mind Limited Jobs, but I did have the thought of "Lords of Verminion wants its identity back".