Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[He-Saiyan]

I doubt any career XI BST would trust SE handling this job as anything but limited. We seen this movie before, and it aint pretty lol. You think they are confused with SMN? How about a job more complicated than SMN? SMN is simplistic compared to BST; and they still managed to get silly with that one.

BST was actually fine as a solo job in XI. A job that did not group, but pretty much soloed their own gear, soloed their own BCNMs, etc. When they shifted towards group content, this is when the BST waters got very muddy.

Taming was a thing of the past, due to the mechanics of dungeons or group content. So we got jugs. Having jugs severely limited our bestiary. The powerful creatures we could tame like scorpions were a thing of the past. Now, we are depending on the devs to re-release our more powerful pets, but they never really did that.

Not only that, but they nerfed the distance BST could use monster abilities after about 14 years, because BST was now a group job. Being a group job, you now adhere to the "Balance" standard; or their standard of balance.

Other jobs complained, so BST got nerfed. If BST never shifted towards group content, this may not have happened imo. BST was perfectly fine & capable of soloing content, or grouping with other BST.

I am not saying the people who want group BST are wrong, but history shows, this most likely will not end well....The irony? Many BST back then were yelling "Make BST a group job," they got what they wanted. It just wasn't what they expected....

[dinnertime]

...Or the devs could...you know...design Beastmaster in its own FFXIV twist like every other non-limited job, like Summoner for example, which is actually fun in this game unlike its certain other FF MMO counterpart.

It's always nice to see them break the mold from the traditional turn-based FF job design with the jobs in FFXIV, and I'm still disappointed they didn't do it with Blue Mage because the devs were too worried about the purists, that probably don't even like FFXIV's gameplay in the first place, not appreciating how the traditional job gimmicks would translate to the game's different combat style.

[Kazrah]

...Or the devs could...you know...design Beastmaster in its own FFXIV twist like every other non-limited job, like Summoner for example, which is actually fun in this game unlike its certain other FF MMO counterpart.

They could do that as something like an indirect damage combatant that calls beasts in for attacks. I'd think something more like Ace Ventura at the climax of the second movie.

That being said, you'd still have crybaby XI fans whining because it's not their Beastmaster with that stupid outdated lion tamer look and systems that would only work in XI and not XIV. It's because of those particular sufferers of Final Fantasy Syndrome that we have Limited Jobs: they're the compromise between those unreasonable demand and realistic application.

As for the OP, I voted it up since I don't mind Limited Jobs, but I did have the thought of "Lords of Verminion wants its identity back".

[CazzT]

I'm all for more limited jobs as long as they're not, ya know... limited. Either make a proper job or don't waste dev time on it.

[Gula]

I'm all for more limited jobs as long as they're not, ya know... limited. Either make a proper job or don't waste dev time on it.

Explain how it waste's developer's time. Not with opinions, mind.

[Jkap_Goat]

To be fair, did like FFXI beast look, same with XI dancer and XI BLU AF

[CazzT]

Explain how it waste's developer's time. Not with opinions, mind.

Anything I say will be disregarded by you as "opinion". Besides, with the data we are able to obtain, which is posted previously in this thread, there's your answer.
And if that is just "opinion" to you, which I have no doubt you'll dismiss it, there's also the number of posts opposed to limited jobs vs for them and the number of Likes for posts opposed to limited jobs vs Likes on posts for them. But hey, that's just opinion, right? I mean, why should devs spend their time developing content that the majority don't want? Doing something like that is is pretty universally categorized as "waste".

But all this will be brushed off as opinion by you. You won't accept anything except official numbers and info, something you know quite well we'll never be given.

[Gula]

But all this will be brushed off as opinion by you. You won't accept anything except official numbers and info, something you know quite well we'll never be given.

So what you're saying is that I'm wrong for wanting non biased facts with proof, and that you know you don't have any.

[CazzT]

So what you're saying is that I'm wrong for wanting non biased facts with proof, and that you know you don't have any.

Is there something in the water where you live? I can't even twist my brain to figure out how this is what you got from what I wrote. I even spelled it out.
No, it's not wrong to want the info. But I did point out that it's info we will never be given. It's even in that quote you bolded. So did you just ignore it?

But you are proving my point about you. You won't accept anything less than info that will never be available to us. Which means you're not interested in discussion because you'll dismiss everything since you won't consider anything "non biased facts with proof" that isn't from SquareEnix themselves. There's no point in further discourse with you as long as you hold that mindset.

[Alleo]

Explain how it waste's developer's time. Not with opinions, mind.

Everything is an opinion, even the devs view on it. For example Yoshida has the opinion that this was the only way to implement Blue while players already posted their view on this which might have given us a new interesting job. He is human after all so he can make mistakes too.

The money and manpower is quite restricted (at least according to Yoshida). So much that even giving Viera and Hrothgars some headgears was done by some employees in their spare time. Its also shown through the act of getting less dungeons over time and them even having a problem finishing Hrothgar for fanfest.

We also always get new normal jobs that need to be balanced and that is already not easy.

Now with limited jobs they have made something which seemingly barely anyone even got to lvl 50 which is the easiest part of it..so in NA and EU not even 20% of the playerbase is even interested to bring it to max level. Yet they still had put in their time to create all these animations for the player character, create a system to gather these skills, make sure that its at least a bit balanced in some ways (and have to even change it up) and then create all the extra content with it like the carneval and now the blue mage log. And with that the work is not done (only if they throw that concept away) because they will have to update it again and again. Create new skills again and again. For something really niche. (And these numbers dont even tell them if people enjoyed it)

Now imagine they introduce even more limited jobs. They might be similar but each needs its own content, its own skills, its own balance..at least with normal jobs you have the argument that they are used widely and with every content. This one is limited in content and seemingly its playstyle and use barely makes people play it. I am looking forward to seeing how long this new log will work...and how fast people will post that they cant find other Bluemages, especially for the 24 man.