Limited Job #2: Beastmaster

[He-Saiyan]

If BST have tame in a dungeon, it can be exploited regardless if the pets are reskins. In XI, BST tamed creatures. Devs killed tame once instances such as Abyssea & Escha became a thing. Group content.

Prior to this, BST was a solo job in XI. People switched jobs if they wanted to group up, because BST would mostly group with other BST or play solo.

People complained that BST is not a group job, SE killed charming/tame, gimped BST, now they complain that BST is gimped....The worst part? Most of BST gear still has the dated charm & tame boost instead of dd.....What a mess. That is due to jugs; is BST a tamer or a class who summons jugs? Now the BST picture is more murky.....

The moral of the story, BST should have stayed a solo job. Nobody was crying gimp, because we all understood what BST was. Devs even admitted it was basically a solo class in XI. The cries for group content made BST become the most nerfed job in XI.

Cosmetic reskins of pets in the form of jugs is what they are currently doing in XI, & the BST community hates it. The last update received pages of backlash because the pets were simply cosmetic reskins. Why would the do the same thing over expecting a different result? BST was fine as a solo class.

[Raikai]

Tbh, Beastmaster fits in the "Limited Job" glove much more than Blue Mage, because a battle pet system would be the perfect excuse to do so. And I think they might allow much better implementation wise.

Collect pets around, use them to battle other player's pets. Yeah, WoW (and other games?) been there, but at this point, it's more like a predictable feature from a game anyways.

[Raikai]

My take on the Blue Mage working better with the "limited" brand:
- BLU only roulette. Yeah, they are adding this now, but if this was something added at launch, it would take some of the sour-ness around the job;
- More spells suited for tanking and healing... Not asking for a full kit, but try to run a hardmode 50 dungeon right now and be wrecked by the bosses as a tank is really bad.
- Level cap in the xpac... There are a lot of soloing activities like Fates to benefit from a "soloing" job, and being gated behid 2 xpacs is not really good...
- Access to deep dungeons and eureka as a Blue Mage solo
- A pvp mode on Masked Carnivale. No idea if it would work or how it would work, but the concept of a BLU faceoff in theory sounds nice!

[DynnDiablos]

I should have just made a BST topic and left off the limited job part. I honestly wanted to celebrate the job because I loved BST. I just didn't see how it work in a party, which is why I recommended a limited job situation.

[jon041065]

I should have just made a BST topic and left off the limited job part. I honestly wanted to celebrate the job because I loved BST. I just didn't see how it work in a party, which is why I recommended a limited job situation.

Speaking as someone that is not at all a fan of limited blu, it's fine that you love bst and want it in the game. Also fine that the only way you can see it working out in a way that you would enjoy is as a limited job. What a lot in my camp are just wanting is that blu and no future job be regulated to being ONLY side content. I would like to see bst as a full job and there be a solo only mode as well. I think we would get a lot farther if most of us could tell the devs that we want full jobs and then the resources they would normally put into side content like diadem be used to make interesting content for a job where it makes sense.

[He-Saiyan]

It could be cosmetic, but BST would still be able to tame creatures within dungeons, which could create exploitation. If they are not able to tame creatures, in dungeons, what is the point of making it a group job? The gist of BST is taming.

They could make BST use jugs only, but that is basically a SMN reskin. I feel, making BST a group job takes a round table of brainstorming. They could shift that focus on other jobs & content. Why create a SMN reskin when they could simply put that effort into SMN?

It is like the Houdini story. The great escape artist who couldn't open an unlocked door. The answer is right in front of us, imo. BST as a group job is making it more complicated than it should be for a team that can't seem to get pet jobs right to begin with.

XI BST started out as a solo job, and it was successful (Devs alluded to it was being an intended solo job)

Shifted to groups & failed miserably.

The definition of insanity.......

[TarynH]

XI BST started out as a solo job, and it was successful (Devs alluded to it was being an intended solo job)

Shifted to groups & failed miserably.

The reason BST failed in groups, was because it had a severe experience penalty if the BST had a wild/charmed monster. They eliminated that years later, so it was kind of a too little, too late impact. Had it not been that way at the start, BST would've been a great addition to a party. Like having an extra dps in the group. And they would've been forced to balance it as such.

Another reason it failed, was because BST needed drops from things that only dropped things for BST. So nobody wanted to help a BST out, and told them to go solo, duo, trio those NMs with other BSTs. (Basically a limited job.)

And the final reason it failed in group content specifically, is because they don't know how to balance anything in XI. BSTs were being used in later content, and were severely overpowered, because they were still built for soloing. Players were burning through harder content with a bunch of BSTs. The devs saw this essentially as an "exploit" and they had to fix it somehow. Which they ended up making BST pretty much intolerable to play.

[Jkap_Goat]

I don't hate BLU, I love blue mage and I cannot wait until tommarow

[purgatori]

No more limited jobs, period, please. It's taking a cool job concept and essentially throwing it away.

[CazzT]

I should have just made a BST topic and left off the limited job part. I honestly wanted to celebrate the job because I loved BST. I just didn't see how it work in a party, which is why I recommended a limited job situation.

I support BST being added to the game. I love pet classes in most games.
I just don't want to see any more limited jobs. As someone who loves that particular job, I would think you would want to see it get the proper attention and care it deserves instead of being limited.

It could be cosmetic, but BST would still be able to tame creatures within dungeons, which could create exploitation.

What exploitation? If it's just cosmetic, what could be exploited?