Advice...

[Silverquick]

You're doing less damage, and don't even consider you're just less proficient with your SMN than your RDM and go straight for "SMN is weaker" generality when it absolutely isn't. I'm not attacking you personnally but it is to stop the spreading of false information.

Excuse me?

I do not ever recall saying SMN was "weaker". In fact my last post sums up pretty much exactly how I do see them.

I specifically recall saying SMN was stronger in AoE and RDM was stronger in single target. I said nothing about Summoner being "weaker".

[Vendalwind]

Excuse me?

I do not ever recall saying SMN was "weaker". In fact my last post sums up pretty much exactly how I do see them.

I specifically recall saying SMN was stronger in AoE and RDM was stronger in single target. I said nothing about Summoner being "weaker".

You implied directly with "RDM is stronger in single target"
Its not.
There is both mathematical and gathered empirical data that prove this on dummies and on no downtime fights.

SMN is straight up stronger in a single target fight than RDM by about 7% on average at any skill level as backed up by the site that shouldn't be named E2 statistics.
(You may be ignoring completely Summoned entities auto attacks)

[Silverquick]

You implied directly with "RDM is stronger in single target"
Its not.

Implied? Seriously?
You took it personally..... as if I was somehow making some kind of personal attack on Summoner, as if it was weak or something, when I said nothing of the sort?

The problem then is yours... not mine.

So far even Karshan has stated that the power boost in Summoner is specifically at 80th level. I did not dispute that.... but said I would look into it again at that level.
I said... I do not see that currently at 77th level as I had both jobs and playing them simultaneously through the MSQ with the same gear, and at present RDM is stronger in Single Target damage.

You just directly stated it was... 7% average at 80th level. Do you realize how slim of a margin 7% is? That means even ONE DoT dropping for a few seconds or missing one spell... and RDM will come out ahead.

You turned this into something personal when it was anything but that.

[Karshan]

Implied? Seriously?
You took it personally..... as if I was somehow making some kind of personal attack on Summoner, as if it was weak or something, when I said nothing of the sort?

The problem then is yours... not mine.

So far even Karshan has stated that the power boost in Summoner is specifically at 80th level. I did not dispute that.... but said I would look into it again at that level.
I said... I do not see that currently at 77th level as I had both jobs and playing them simultaneously through the MSQ with the same gear, and at present RDM is stronger in Single Target damage.

You just directly stated it was... 7% average at 80th level. Do you realize how slim of a margin 7% is? That means even ONE DoT dropping for a few seconds or missing one spell... and RDM will come out ahead.

You turned this into something personal when it was anything but that.

- "at present RDM is stronger in Single Target damage" : no, it is not. I do not know about AOE because I don't have the numbers, but from 70 to 80 ST summoner is absolutely stronger than ST red mage. That's not opinion you know, I really don't care (I raid as a RDM, have no favorites), it really just is about the fact there are measurements in the form of tools that must not be named (act and fflogs, oops) ?
- "how slim of a margin 7% is" : 7% is not a small margin in a MMO, and this one is no different. You spend weeks to improve a few pourcents power through gear. Again 7% might be droplet in a muso, but not in a MMO.
- "means even ONE DoT dropping for a few seconds or missing one spell" : such small mistakes don't do a 7% difference on your DPS. You'd have to be dropping dozens of GCDs or dozens of seconds of DOTs

Ok I guess nice time is over : you're presenting an opinion and stating it as fact by not using conditional or cautious wording. It's actually you who's taking it personally because you merged your opinion with data. The data is wrong we're correcting it, but since you associated it with your opinion you're having a hard time backing down.

I'm not asking "sorry I was wrong" kinda post, don't care, just stop saying single target RDM is stronger when it is not that's all I ask.