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  1. #1
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    reyre's Avatar
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    Reyner Blackblood
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    Gilgamesh
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverneck View Post
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    I 100% agree, BH is the skill that killed MNK and SAM should not be the top Melee dps, it just baffling. I will say, however, that there are no impossible to hit positionals in current content thanks to True North and RoE.

    I mean you can just take a look at the asthetics of the class and see how little care is put into it. Running animations? MNK doesnt have an unique one. LB animation? MNK doesnt have a unique one (its the same one that every melee had in 2.x). Snap, twin and true strike look bland AF.

    That there are no visual indicators for basic BnB stuff like Leadenfist or Twinsnakes, is just bad desing periot, the icons get lost into the menagerie of buffs is terrible (this not only affects MNK ofcourse), that in order for any MNK to properly use some of its skillset said MNK needs a thrid party software is ridiculous and clearly they want MNK to use anatman in the opener otherwise they would have killed it like they did with the NIN rotation and the TK rotation(a rotation which i personaly hate becuase of my high ping but love because it uses the majority of the MNK skills). MNK is literally a pile of bad desing choices or oudated ones, party composition dependancy? why? A niche support skill for a mediocre buff that affects MNKs basic rotation, who thinks of stripping control from the players hands and says "Yep this is good". BH is the only skill in the game that actually affects the rotation based on RNG and party composition, why is this even a thing? Why is MNK being punished for using its skills? No other class does this and yes, NO OTHER CLASS DOES THIS, other classes punish you for using the skill wrong or nilly willy, MNK punsihes you for using the skill full stop (I.e TK, Six sided star).

    The fact that MNK has only 2 oGCDs is absurd at best (and NO Forbiden chakra is not a oGCD is an RNG skill that shares 100% of it resource with a flashier but ultimately gutted version of Hollowfist)
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    Last edited by reyre; 07-02-2020 at 10:27 AM.

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    ItMe's Avatar
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by reyre View Post
    Running animations? MNK doesnt have an unique one.
    This is legitimately a big shame and, as petty as it sounds, one of the big things that puts me off of MNK.
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    VentVanitas's Avatar
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    Seiko Hanamura
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    Kujata
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by reyre View Post
    I mean you can just take a look at the asthetics of the class and see how little care is put into it. Running animations? MNK doesnt have an unique one. LB animation? MNK doesnt have a unique one (its the same one that every melee had in 2.x). Snap, twin and true strike look bland AF.
    It peeves me even more that our most damage dealing skill: Bootshine, is among the more generic looking skills in the game. Why Bootshine as our go to damage dealer? Why is it stronger than Elixir Field? It is literally a level 1 skill and has no visual effects on it at all because of it. Would it really kill them to have at least like, one throwaway trait similar MCH that permanently upgrades our GCD animations? Call it Greased Bootshine or something, I don't know.

    Visual appeal is a HUGE factor when people are drawn to a class. DRG, SAM or MCH come to mind. Hell, you could argue that MCH has a playerbase at all because it is a cool looking job despite the amount of problems it faces. Meanwhile MNK keeps locking all of it behind terrible skills that sacrifice play feel or damage, which like you said, no other job in the game does this.

    It feels like a huge slap in the face to the people who only ask for cool looking abilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA View Post
    Not constructive at all .... fail post
    If you're not going to bother to contribute anything either than you're not any better. Fail post.
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    Last edited by VentVanitas; 07-02-2020 at 11:53 AM.

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    Ramura_Sono's Avatar
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    R'amura Sono
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Miner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by VentVanitas View Post
    It feels like a huge slap in the face to the people who only ask for cool looking abilities.
    Monks ask for more Kicking attacks...Get them in situational attacks like SSS and TK which see little use. Gee, thanks I guess.
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    Rika Lockhart
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VentVanitas View Post
    It peeves me even more that our most damage dealing skill: Bootshine, is among the more generic looking skills in the game. Why Bootshine as our go to damage dealer? Why is it stronger than Elixir Field? It is literally a level 1 skill and has no visual effects on it at all because of it. Would it really kill them to have at least like, one throwaway trait similar MCH that permanently upgrades our GCD animations? Call it Greased Bootshine or something, I don't know.

    Visual appeal is a HUGE factor when people are drawn to a class. DRG, SAM or MCH come to mind. Hell, you could argue that MCH has a playerbase at all because it is a cool looking job despite the amount of problems it faces. Meanwhile MNK keeps locking all of it behind terrible skills that sacrifice play feel or damage, which like you said, no other job in the game does this.

    It feels like a huge slap in the face to the people who only ask for cool looking abilities.
    You bring up a really good point and honestly even thinking about it, just looking at it's base rotation abilities, if IRC... is Monk the only job from 2.0 that has had no visual upgrades or new abilities at all to the base GCD rotation? Dragoon got Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust. Ninja got Armor Crush. Paladin got Royal Authority and Goring Blade. Bard received visual upgrades to all three of it's primary GCD abilities. Every caster and healer class has received new or visual upgrades to it's primary GCD spam ability (the healers multiple ones). Heck even Machinist has received an entire visual overhaul to it's entire GCD line-up. The only one I can think of that may also not have received one is Warrior, but at this point Fell Cleave happens so often it basically counts.

    Meanwhile all Monk has got has been situational BS. Pretty crappy overall.
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