Monk Needs a Complete Rework

[ReiMakoto]

I had a brief (probably terrible cos I don't main monk) thought about anatman and SSS, where anatman gives you fixed 1.5s gcds for say like 15s. Then you give SSS a 10s gcd recast time (you were unlikely to back to back SSS anyway), so during your "anatman window" you can use SSS twice and bypass the long recast on it.

[AncientCrystal]

I like the change of making gl a passive. I'm down with the idea of reworking it but afraid they'll take away the positional requirements and make the class feel like a samurai clone.

Nah all the melee have positionals. They won't take away positionals.

[Ariel_Valmont]

Eden's Verse: Refulgence comes to mind when there are 3 instances when I lose stacks every time.

1. First teleport in phase
2. Second teleport out phase
3. Final form DPS check

That is three times I lose stacks due to loading and loading of others, network speed of others, exposition, stun lock.

You can carry over greased lightning on 1 & 2
Form shift to Coeurl and use anataman. Form shift immediately after teleportation. You have time it right so coeurl stance doesn’t fall off During the teleport. It sounds tough but is easily manageable after some practice. Upping/removing the timer on forms would make it a cakewalk.

[Ariel_Valmont]

Eden's Verse: Refulgence comes to mind when there are 3 instances when I lose stacks every time.

1. First teleport in phase
2. Second teleport out phase
3. Final form DPS check

That is three times I lose stacks due to loading and loading of others, network speed of others, exposition, stun lock.

Forgot to mention, Just lb3 at the end, the hunk of ice will be mostly dead by the time you can DPS and you can just PB and go into building up stacks.

[Sqwall]

Forgot to mention, Just lb3 at the end, the hunk of ice will be mostly dead by the time you can DPS and you can just PB and go into building up stacks.

You can carry over greased lightning on 1 & 2
Form shift to Coeurl and use anataman. Form shift immediately after teleportation. You have time it right so coeurl stance doesn’t fall off During the teleport. It sounds tough but is easily manageable after some practice. Upping/removing the timer on forms would make it a cakewalk.

LOL you know how many times I have tried to perfect this. It fails more times then not. Thanks for the tips, but still. It punishes one class to much, and no other class has this issue that is this bad. Thanks tho

[Sqwall]

I did my Eden weeklies last week and actually thought HOW I could use SSS and Anataman in the fight.

1. SSS is actually great when your timer is really low and you shoulder tackle back into fight. It's a god send when your in OPO-OPO and don't have time to form shift to reset timer. You have to make the decision quickly, and I usually just pop Elixir Field or Forbidden after SSS to give a little DPS while I waited. Still extremely situational, it is VERY helpful when AOE's are all over and you have a brain fart neglecting your form shift.

2. Anatman skill for stopping your GL timer, and your form timers, but not in battle as you will probably die other wise. I would Form Shift prior to the pull, and just anatman when I was in the form I wanted. Usually lead shoulder tackle into demolish, or twin snakes buff into perfect balance. Kind of nice if you hate spamming form shift while you wait for the pull.

3. Anatman is GREAT for dungeon's honestly. Ran my expert and got Anamnesis Anyder! ... no surprise... I never get grand cosmos which is far more fun. Anyways.
Final boss Anatman is great for covering grates phase. Just find a grate and pop anatman. Love it. Not going to lie if i'm topped off on GL and chakra...anatman it is. Still doesn't excuse the fact that it's utterly useless otherwise, but I like the idea of just set and forget idea. Gave me time to open a beer and insert into a coo-sy.

[Kolsykol]

I am very happy to see that they're finally doing something about Monk.
I just hope that they actually make Tornado Kick and Six-Sided Strike useful too and don't leave them behind again.

[Duskane]

personally think SSS should be a ogcd that gives you max GL stacks so it makes opener nicer and you can Tornado kick into SSS
im sure there are other/better ways to make them useful but its just an idea that popped in my head.

[Kolsykol]

personally think SSS should be a ogcd that gives you max GL stacks so it makes opener nicer and you can Tornado kick into SSS
im sure there are other/better ways to make them useful but its just an idea that popped in my head.

As far as I understand tho they're just making the GL a passive so that wouldn't work.
We're getting a rework in 5.4.

Something that comes to mind for me is that they could just basically copy paste the BLM system, some might not like this but it's way better than what we have atm at least and it'd be fairly easy.
Anatman could work like Enochian, and then Tornado Kick and Six-Sided Strike as Xenoglossy and Foul.

[VentVanitas]

I am very happy to see that they're finally doing something about Monk.
I just hope that they actually make Tornado Kick and Six-Sided Strike useful too and don't leave them behind again.

I'm not sure what they'll do with SSS, but I wouldn't worry too much about TK. With GL gone as a mechanic it'll need a new function entirely and I have a hunch that SE is aware that if they don't incorporate it someway into the rotation then MNK will be even more bare-bones than before.