Monk Needs a Complete Rework

[Ruiknao]

I've been working on a document for the past while expressing thoughts shared by the community and myself regarding Monk's design, while showing several ideas on what Monk could have that might fix some of its issues. I recently finished it and posted it up on a separate thread for anyone that's interested. Or you can look at the document with this link (https://imgur.com/a/MNKeu1E).

Thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ts-Suggestions

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

Looks like we're getting a 2 part rework. A greased lightning rework in 5.4 and adjustments in 5.3. If they adjust some of the awful feeling skills right now such as TK, 6SS and Anatman, form shift spam etc.. that could possibly help until its full rework in 5.4. I feel kinda wary though with these devs.

[reyre]

Looks like we're getting a 2 part rework. A greased lightning rework in 5.4 and adjustments in 5.3. If they adjust some of the awful feeling skills right now such as TK, 6SS and Anatman, form shift spam etc.. that could possibly help until its full rework in 5.4. I feel kinda wary though with these devs.

So it seems, it feels kind of like NIN rework... To be honest at this point i will take almost anything, short of a actual nerf. MNK is in apretty rough spot even a potency increase would be good. NO it would not fix the fundamental issues that the class has nor would it make it any different BUT it will, at the very least, make it relevant, and that is a win i guess and we take those with glee.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

So it seems, it feels kind of like NIN rework... To be honest at this point i will take almost anything, short of a actual nerf. MNK is in apretty rough spot even a potency increase would be good. NO it would not fix the fundamental issues that the class has nor would it make it any different BUT it will, at the very least, make it relevant, and that is a win i guess and we take those with glee.

Yeah, they specificially mentioned how NIN was reworked before leading into how MNK will be changed in the same aspect- adjustments in the immediate patch, followed by a rework in the next patch.

As for how they will choose to rework Greased Lightning I'm thinking they'll scrap the damage and speed buffs from it and put them as traits and turn GL into a resource which could fundamentally work like polyglot.

[gumas]

^ i like that, basically you use certain skill to generate GL and spend it on certain skill, maybe tornado kick and six sided star? (both become OGCD with cooldown)

though in my mind i was thinking the damage and speed buff is still there, but you just need 1 stack of GL now instead of 3 or 4, so the play is to keep at 1 GL at minimum

edit: well currently form shift will restore GL duration to max after 3rd form (after ceourl) so maybe we just need to go until raptor?

[Maltothoris]

Here are the specific adjustments.

- They want to make Monk's Greased Lightning a trait instead but since it'll take a lot of cost to complete this they want to implement this change by Patch 5.4

- Perfect Balance's cooldown will be decreased

- Form Shift will have one form reduced.

A little confused about the third one and lol at the second one. From the sound of it, it will either return to patch 4.2 where it was 60 seconds or would just be 90 seconds.

Also a little reprehensive about the scale of it be on the nin rework given how a lot of people loved the rework in 5.1 but I know a good amount of people who hated it.

Edit: the changes were taken from the ffxiv reddit discord.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

Here are the specific adjustments.

- They want to make Monk's Greased Lightning a trait instead but since it'll take a lot of cost to complete this they want to implement this change by Patch 5.4

- Perfect Balance's cooldown will be decreased

- Form Shift will have one form reduced.

A little confused about the third one and lol at the second one. From the sound of it, it will either return to patch 4.2 where it was 60 seconds or would just be 90 seconds.

Also a little reprehensive about the scale of it be on the nin rework given how a lot of people loved the rework in 5.1 but I know a good amount of people who hated it.

Edit: the changes were taken from the ffxiv reddit discord.

Ah, I didn't see there had been further translations being more specific. GL as purely a trait (instead of the boring/unrewarding gauge we currently have) is kind of the cowards way out, I would have preferred to still have something there to keep the job semi engaging. But I also can't complain either, GL has been at the bottom of the gutter in terms of a gauge to manage, it was the most tedious unrewarding thing to keep up and its only benefit outside of being fast was 'just about being on par with the other melee'. I honestly hope with GL being a trait that we can use 6SS and TK as part of the rotation and I suppose Anatman would need to receive a complete rework.

[AncientCrystal]

So they confirmed MNK getting a rework? hecks yea!

[VentVanitas]

There are some concerns right now I have for the Greased Lightning rework, but ultimately I am grateful they're doing SOMETHING after sleeping on it for so long.

The rework means that a huge number of skills will potentially be adjusted: Tornado Kick, Six Sided Star, Riddle of Earth, Form Shift, Anatman, Perfect Balance, etc. Are all moves that effect GL, and therefore are potentially targets for adjustments to coincide with the new GL. I don't expect full reworks of these moves obviously (since it's been implied that a few will stay mostly the same such as PB and Form Shift), but it's pretty evident that some will have to be changed, such as TK.

Either way, the decreased Perfect Balance cooldown should be a net DPS gain. It's more mind numbing Bootshine spam, sure, but it's more damage nonetheless. Anything less than 2 minutes will make it infinitely easier to line up with Riddle of Fire and Brotherhood. Even better if it's been reduced to 90 seconds.

[Powercow]

I have a very bad feeling about this. If turning Greased Lightning into a trait is the difficult part of the rework, I wouldn't get my hopes up seeing anything except some potency tweaks and, if we're lucky, a minor change to an ability or two.

Turning Greased Lightning into a trait seems... well it kinda smacks of them removing another mechanic from monk. It's not an especially engaging mechanic, but I have some serious reservations that Monk is going to get anything else to compensate for a mechanic being removed. They never have before, why start now?

I'd love to be proven wrong here but... yeah...