Changes that war need?

[Aurida]

-war and drk have both the lowest damage (difference is really small compared to gnb and pld but still)

Someone has to be, right? By your own admission they're only a hair's length away from being the same and perfectly balanced so let's hope they keep striving for that.

their defensive kit doesn't really make up for that

Does it not? Having the best invuln in the game, plus on-demand self and targeted healing with little to no opportunity cost through Nascent isn't enough? Using that thing before Inner Chaos/Fell Cleave or Inner Release gives you like 50k~60k self healing on a good day, which is orders of magnitude higher than any other tank's sustain with, and I stress this, no personal loss whatsoever.

kill time has a too big impact on war's dps (hits like a wet noodle outside of Inner release): you can lose around 200 dps just because you killed the boss 20s before your next IR for example.

Who cares? We're talking about a situation in which you killed the boss, meaning the job performs perfectly well at the only thing that matters: killing the boss while not being killed by it.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed HW WAR and having to manage resources in order to move into and execute a highly damaging Berserk window. I'd love if Nascent could be used on yourself like Dragoon's tether. I'd love if DRK didn't steal our burst phase. I'd love it if we went back to dealing 75% of a DPS' overall damage instead of 60%. I'd even love it if Holmgang went back to 6s duration at a 3m CD.

But ignoring that it's an incomparable machine of a tank, with defensive utility which the other tanks can't pretend to compete with, just because it's not the best on a leaderboard website in one possible metric? WAR has been top dog for literally the entire last 5 years, the overall tank balance is closer now than it's ever been, and still we get complaint threads every week that it's not the god-class. What do you want?

[Jokersoal]

Someone has to be, right? By your own admission they're only a hair's length away from being the same and perfectly balanced so let's hope they keep striving for that.

My bad, I should have been more straigth to the point regarding the purpose on the post: my purpose is mostly to ask for rewarding rotation rather than potency adjustments as you can guess by seeing of much I talk about having rewarding rotation at the end of the 2 part and 3rd part. I don't ask war to be top dps when I talk about potency adjustment, just doing a dichotomy about options SE can choose.

Does it not? Having the best invuln in the game, plus on-demand self and targeted healing with little to no opportunity cost through Nascent isn't enough? Using that thing before Inner Chaos/Fell Cleave or Inner Release gives you like 50k~60k self healing on a good day, which is orders of magnitude higher than any other tank's sustain with, and I stress this, no personal loss whatsoever.

The problem I raise is more about in an optimized fight where actually your healing/specific war cds actually don't make up for the raw dps you don't have since it will maybe save 1 or 2 healing gcd for your healers for 1 or 2 dps gcd. Even with that it doesn't prevent healers from having very good dps performance with a pld/gnb comp which are supposed to be "less comfy" than with a drk or a war. But that problem is caused by how the healing system works: heals being too "easy" or not enough damage incoming during the fight when your healers play well.

Who cares? We're talking about a situation in which you killed the boss, meaning the job performs perfectly well at the only thing that matters: killing the boss while not being killed by it.

I read again my post and I should have been more specific (made a whoopsy sorry): almost all my points are set in a optimization point of view where clearing the fight is the 1st step I could say. In a mindset where the important thing is just to clear the fight,
basically all my points (except the QoL changes I guess) are meaningless I agree.

[ReiMakoto]

Delrium should have been something like infinite mana for 10s, or grants 5 stacks of dark arts (so 5 free edge/flood of shadows).

Either that or it should have kept its blood weapon interaction, drk being the tank with a high uptime haste buff made it stand out a bit more.

Onto War though, honestly other than eye not applying on mithril tempest, I think its pretty fine. The damage difference between it and the other tanks isn't very large. Only thing I would like to see for WAR is it going back to how it was in like 4.1? Before the IR change. I don't think there's really a way to make WAR more engaging outside of totally revamping how its played.

[Azerhan]

Imo WAR ceased to be fun when they reworked IR to make us spam FC.
I loved it back in HW, this challenge to put all 3 FC and the dot under Berserk, I really thought "It was fun".
But when they killed it mid-SB (While I was supposed to play it instead of DRK, who was really boring back then), they just made me hate this job, I just can't listen one FC anymore

[Nedkel]

Past warrior iteration would have no place in todays dungeons.

[NyneSwordz]

Not sure why you want to remove knockback on IR. I don't think it's a good idea to have things knocking you back in your very tight and important dps window. So I don't think that should happen.

As for Nascent Flash requiring no target, and Mythril Tempest applying eye, I'm all for. Also, it would be nice if they could make the aoe combo like pvp - where we Mythril Tempest and then Steel Cyclone. It feels much better and is visually more appealing to me.

[Jokersoal]

Not sure why you want to remove knockback on IR. I don't think it's a good idea to have things knocking you back in your very tight and important dps window. So I don't think that should happen.

That change is more subjective than objective, I was talking about the fights that have a mechanic like " if you don't get knocked back you die or lose dmg" but that problem only appeared in o9s and e4s so far. It makes the war "more difficult" to play in another hand since you basically don't have to delay your IR. I talked about it in case they would revert IR to the 4.1 state or similar with its 20s.

[Jonnycbad]

Now every tank has a "press this button and use the same skill 2-5x in a row for big damage" phase (for GNB it's more unique but technically 2 stacks of ammo+Bloodfest counts). PLD has Req->5x HS, WAR has IR->5x FC, DRK has Delirium->5x Bloodspiller

[Vulcann]

Now every tank has a "press this button and use the same skill 2-5x in a row for big damage" phase (for GNB it's more unique but technically 2 stacks of ammo+Bloodfest counts). PLD has Req->5x HS, WAR has IR->5x FC, DRK has Delirium->5x Bloodspiller

this is what happens when raiders start dictating the direction of the games balance. All class diversity is thrown out the window for the almighty raid spot. the developers listen and just start making every class basically the same with just different effects.

[ReiMakoto]

this is what happens when raiders start dictating the direction of the games balance. All class diversity is thrown out the window for the almighty raid spot. the developers listen and just start making every class basically the same with just different effects.

Its a bit of a stretch to say that the big bad raider strawman caused this, last I remember last expansion there was a large amount of people who liked how war and pld played, and lots of feedback that drk felt "too spammy", so naturally making drk more like the other 2 was the direction they took, which sucks for people who liked how drk played, but it certainly wasn't just raiders who pushed for drk to be changed.