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    If it was built as a crossover from the start, I would feel differently about it. It would be an integral part of the world from the beginning. Instead it's being grafted into an existing story, three expansions into a previously unrelated game.
    So have all the others to a degree, even MHW, where Behemoth is a permanent feature, yet neither is going to influence the other further.

    As said, it's not going to be more Nier than Nier, and its presence here isn't going to dictate FFXIV, which has its own individual story that, for the most part, is handled separately (mostly) from all the crossovers we've had to date (such as bosses from previous FF's, Rathalos, Ivalice, Noctis, etc), despite the fact that it is most definitely treated like a melting pot for references and crossover material for the fans. It being canon to Nier itself doesn't really change this other than acknowledging what has already been established just by this cross-over existing in the first place, that these worlds are within reach of one another. I don't see any reason why this raid-tier won't conclude with FFXIV (and Nier itself) simply moving on without after-effects.

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    This is no more surprising to me than Noctis visiting us, or the Ivalice situation - which, judging by fan-videos on the subject, should annoy people more than this does. After all, from what I could surmise from those videos as a non-tactics head, the original ending was later explained by said-crossover to a point where Ramza locked it all away to wait for the Warrior of Light (or something equivalent) to fix the problem, whereas those who played the original (without FFXIV) get the vague (and seemingly more disappointing) ending.

    Yet that is all said and done and we won't have Ivalice making any further (major) impacts on our own story. In fact, you could say it never did (just like Nier), because they are side-raids and not an integral part of FFXIV or its story as a whole. The only difference is Nier is fresher than the old Ivalice-related FF's and may continue on its own, which doesn't have to include a big FFXIV imprint, or vice-versa. It's just so inconsequential to me due to being an obvious love-letter to each-other and nothing more, so I'm struggling mightily to see how people could have a problem with it, rather than embrace it as more FFXIV/Nier content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RopeDrink View Post
    So have all the others to a degree, even MHW, where Behemoth is a permanent feature, yet neither is going to influence the other further.
    Notic and other FF events are mostly one time stuff that may or may not even be canon. They are not fixed or have a whole raid for them. The monster hunter monster can at least be seen as something which come from far away, the only thing that looks out of place are the cats. The same for Behemoth in MHW. Its just one monster. As far as I know they did not introduce our races or our history into the game, just one monster and armor for it.

    Ivalice or the crystal towers are also retellings of a story. They at least tried to give them a place in the world that fits. Crystal tower now even being an important plot point, so we cant just say that these things might never get important. I still find too much cameos meh so Ivalice was not my favorite raid (just like I did not like Omega) but Nier is much worse than that.

    1. Not a FF title and not even a SE title.
    2. Permanent addition to the game by being a raid. Like Ivalice it now has a fixed place in the FF14 world.
    3. Yoko says that what happens in the raid is now canon to Nier, which in turn means that Nier is also canon for FF14. We dont get a retelling or one monster/character from another game, we get whole worlds and lore..

    Even the lore bits we can gather afterwards are making (imo) no sense at all if you are not a Nier fan. They too are nothing to give us an understanding of its place, they are fanservice.

    Right now I feel like they dont even try to connect it to the game. This factory is just there, nobody really cares that seemingly there are human looking androids running around. I hope that this really gets better and that they at least try to explain things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Yoko says that what happens in the raid is now canon to Nier, which in turn means that Nier is also canon for FF14.
    No, it doesn't mean that at all. The Raid and NieR can still be not canon to FF XIV.

    For example, all crows are birds, but not all birds are crows in return.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    This factory is just there, nobody really cares that seemingly there are human looking androids running around.
    Nobody being the whole three people (Anogg, Konogg, and the WoL) who know about it and are shown to be rather concerned about the situation. Maybe four if the dig site chief is involved, I forget. (We could argue about 23 other people being involved, those being the other people in the raid party, but there's another thread for that.) The existence of the Copied Factory and all that it entails is not public knowledge.

    I don't feel we have enough information yet to know how, or if, this fits into established lore. But I'm also still working my way through Automata (albeit having large parts of the plot spoiled, thanks to jerks deliberately yapping about it during the raid), so I dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Nobody being the whole three people (Anogg, Konogg, and the WoL) who know about it and are shown to be rather concerned about the situation. Maybe four if the dig site chief is involved, I forget. (We could argue about 23 other people being involved, those being the other people in the raid party, but there's another thread for that.) The existence of the Copied Factory and all that it entails is not public knowledge.

    I don't feel we have enough information yet to know how, or if, this fits into established lore. But I'm also still working my way through Automata (albeit having large parts of the plot spoiled, thanks to jerks deliberately yapping about it during the raid), so I dunno.
    I really hope we get more information there. The best imo would just be if it disappears at the end (into another dimension or something) because if it stays then this could influence the first. (Different technology and stuff like that) I am just a bit sad that we seemingly dont get any information at all and have to wait for later..They could have at least used the data logs a bit better but as far as I understood it, they are fanservice pure for Nier fans. (At least I did not understand a single bit of it)

    (There is also a part of me that wonders how some would have reacted if it was a different franchise that got a whole raid to it)
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