Suggestion: Add a Survivability Ability to DRG?

[Raubahn]

I really Mean it..
If Dragoon Keeps Not having a Survive Ability we will be gimped in Future Fights For a long time..Since we will be having Garuda in 1.22 Unless SE decide to Fix it

The Suggestion is as follows:
Make Dread Spikes Drains Magical And Physical Attacks and Make it 1min recast if we had Life Surge or Power Surge on

Or

Make Elusive Jump Work like Super Jump in XI

Waiting for your response Devs

[Eruantien]

I did hope jump would mean you avoid attacks while you were in the air.

[Raubahn]

I hoped that as well in fact it should be :/
we have no means of defense against Bosses AoE

[Enfarious]

Jumps should definitely provide a "perfect dodge" effect while in air like they have in the past. If dread spike worked like the drk spell by nearly the same name it'd probably solve that, perhaps make it so that: for each level of "surge" you have it adds more hits absorbed. maybe: 2 + (floor(surge_count * 1.5) - 1); would give you: 1 hit, 2 hits, 3 hits, 5hits going from no surge to full surge.

[Silvano]

I would just be okay with increasing the amount of HP recovery from Dread Spike; remember, classes are horizontally based to provide solo play (survivability), and jobs are SUPPOSED (except WAR lol) to be party-play based, needing a coordinated party to stay healthy and come out victorious.

[Vire]

Right now dragoon can get the job done but not well. You want superior damage and surivablity from melee range you play a monk. The fact that in order to do the damage we need to we spend half the time animation locked while having to dodge things like 100 ton swing or eruptions mechanics means you have to be very careful when you weapon skill. Power surge turns us into wet paper and we don't really have any reason to justify it. it would be one thing if you could out range aoe cleave weapon skills as a lancer but you can't. Jump being used as a perfect dodge would help for sure though. The best thing drag brings to the table right now is the burst damage from jump being an instant no tp weapon skill for killing things like the guards on ants and aoe stun/paralysis weapon skills but even then it sucks because you have to be in front to start the combo or miss an attack.

What really separates the men from the boys are the dragoons who can pull off 2 combo or 3 combos in between boss weapon skills while keeping 3 stacks of power surge. If you can pull that off you will do extremely good damage. At the end of the day its still high risk for low reward because blm, mnk can do the same much safer then drg and war dose a bit less single target about the same aoe and has the best durability of anyone one.

Which brings me to probably my number one pet peeve about the class is that since we are constantly expected to fire off ws they could at least help us out a little bit by making them from behind or better yet not positional. That would increase dragoon survival more then any ability they could give us. Since the safest place for melee is generally the back of the boss.

I mean all this could change if they designed more melee friendly bosses but mnk would probably still be on top.

I mean you might as well kill two birds with one stone with that as well and just make a mechanic where if not enough players are close enough to the boss he dose some super move and a shout that silences and dose damage players for a short duration while standing there. This would make melee useful but you would not want to stack either melee or ranged classes because there would be a weakness to both unless you used a combination of the two. Not to mention it would buff divine veil since people would actually be in range of the pld when he gets cured and get the regen effect.

[Raubahn]

Right now dragoon can get the job done but not well. You want superior damage and surivablity from melee range you play a monk. The fact that in order to do the damage we need to we spend half the time animation locked while having to dodge things like 100 ton swing or eruptions mechanics means you have to be very careful when you weapon skill. Power surge turns us into wet paper and we don't really have any reason to justify it. it would be one thing if you could out range aoe cleave weapon skills as a lancer but you can't. Jump being used as a perfect dodge would help for sure though. The best thing drag brings to the table right now is the burst damage from jump being an instant no tp weapon skill for killing things like the guards on ants and aoe stun/paralysis weapon skills but even then it sucks because you have to be in front to start the combo or miss an attack.

What really separates the men from the boys are the dragoons who can pull off 2 combo or 3 combos in between boss weapon skills while keeping 3 stacks of power surge. If you can pull that off you will do extremely good damage. At the end of the day its still high risk for low reward because blm, mnk can do the same much safer then drg and war dose a bit less single target about the same aoe and has the best durability of anyone one.

Which brings me to probably my number one pet peeve about the class is that since we are constantly expected to fire off ws they could at least help us out a little bit by making them from behind or better yet not positional. That would increase dragoon survival more then any ability they could give us. Since the safest place for melee is generally the back of the boss.

I mean all this could change if they designed more melee friendly bosses but mnk would probably still be on top.

I mean you might as well kill two birds with one stone with that as well and just make a mechanic where if not enough players are close enough to the boss he dose some super move and a shout that silences and dose damage players for a short duration while standing there. This would make melee useful but you would not want to stack either melee or ranged classes because there would be a weakness to both unless you used a combination of the two. Not to mention it would buff divine veil since people would actually be in range of the pld when he gets cured and get the regen effect.

True but Dread Spike Need to be Adjusted to absorb Magical Damage such as Hell Fire since we no longer have Sentinel
i can dodge 100 tonze by activating Dread spikes but still i cant dodge Ifrit Hellfire or any next Primal Astral Flow
i'm pulling great Combos on bosses such as Princess and coin-counter not just 2 or 3 sometimes 4 and 5 with Keen Flurry but still my back is opened since i have low Def and low HP
Atm DRG reminds me of how DRK was in XI and how he was a pain to WHMs when he activates soul eater and gets real low HP

Jumps should definitely provide a "perfect dodge" effect while in air like they have in the past. If dread spike worked like the drk spell by nearly the same name it'd probably solve that, perhaps make it so that: for each level of "surge" you have it adds more hits absorbed. maybe: 2 + (floor(surge_count * 1.5) - 1); would give you: 1 hit, 2 hits, 3 hits, 5hits going from no surge to full surge.

i would love to see that

[Alaltus]

Which brings me to probably my number one pet peeve about the class is that since we are constantly expected to fire off ws they could at least help us out a little bit by making them from behind or better yet not positional. That would increase dragoon survival more then any ability they could give us. Since the safest place for melee is generally the back of the boss.

They could change the requirements of some of lancer's/Dragoon's combos to positioning at max/near max auto attack range like how archers have to be so far away from the target to combo.

[Vire]

True but Dread Spike Need to be Adjusted to absorb Magical Damage such as Hell Fire since we no longer have Sentinel
i can dodge 100 tonze by activating Dread spikes but still i cant dodge Ifrit Hellfire or any next Primal Astral Flow
i'm pulling great Combos on bosses such as Princess and coin-counter not just 2 or 3 sometimes 4 and 5 with Keen Flurry but still my back is opened since i have low Def and low HP
Atm DRG reminds me of how DRK was in XI and how he was a pain to WHMs when he activates soul eater and gets real low HP

No I agree completely with what your saying right now Dread spike serves one function in the game and its to wipe your 3 stacks of power surge before hellfire so you don't have the damage penalty on when it lands. Its a one minute cooldown with a high cost because normally your losing 1500 tp for using and a long ramp up time. It should be very powerful for that sort of investment. Also at least drk's could debuff bosses with absorbs and do insanely strong burst damage that if you subbed thf would go onto the tank. Right now we don't even have that. Drg in this game is like a weird mix of drg, drk and sam.

Also using dread spikes to survive 100 ton can be very risky because if your tank moved out so that he would fall down and you stay in and live he is going to run over to the tank and then turn around and eye lazer beam the heck out of the rest of your group. I have found it just to be safe and run out every time if you can but yeah there are times when you know you are screwed and can't get out range in time because you where finishing off an animation at the start of the charge and there is that one to two second moment of dread where you just know your going to die and dread spikes can help there.

[Gokubuu]

I don't understand. Dragoon is awesome. Survivability? Imo Dragoon is a job that requires a lot of skill. Take to much damage from small aoe? Attack from full range of your weapon. You want a jump that evades? That's elusive jump, you can use it for more then one purpose. Keeping life/power surge up can be a pain sure, but again if you're skillful enough it can be done. I have no problem with keeping up the dps. I like the fact Dragoon is a busy job and requires skill. I suspect in this case it's not so much the Dragoon but the player that's lacking. Step up your game or find an easier job to enjoy playing I would say. Learn to dodge, learn how to make the most of your abilities and stop blaming the job.