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  1. #21
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    ReviaInfantry's Avatar
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    Revia Pedites
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    We have airships but compared with our usual magic teleportation, which would you prefer?

    Magic replaces technology so much people ain't bother to improve. The job crystal all are somehow "oh muh previous bearer wisdom". Few rare ones are the ones making improvement like pure blank machinist that invented drones and sticky bombs then repurposed construction equipment then a magitek automaton.

    Also since one of our major opponent is Ascian our reaction usually amounts to "come let's get another ancient stuff called white aurawadever and Chuck it at them and threw more aether" which no amount of technology can help with that (yet).

    Also one thing about technology is the more advanced it is the less human.... Humans become. Allagan Azys La anyone?
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  2. #22
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    Kharagal Mierqid
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    The Allagans are the only society we know of that combined Magic and Technology to such a degree. And they made some of the craziest things imaginable. No other culture we've seen on Eorzea has come close to what the Allagans could do with either Magic or Technology, let alone the combined forces of the two. Of course, the Allagans also didn't have a morality check either and we know that Emet-Selch was pulling strings behind the whole thing too.

    Which... actually might explain why we don't see magic and tech blended together either. Anyone with a decent sense of morality knows the Allagans got up to evil stuff with their amazing inventions. So I can easily see people associating "advanced tech" with "will cause you to lose your morality like the Allagans" and no one wants that to happen. Given how Garlemald has turned out (again with Emet-Selch behind it) it's not like history is proving that mindset to be wrong...
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  3. #23
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    I think that the presence of magic REALLY skews things a lot. I suspect it's a lot more pervasive than we might think, which could explain why spears and bows are a match for firearms.
    Actually that comes down to metallurgy, if bullets cannot penetrate mythril or other fantasy metals, then melee weapons and heavy armor remain practical. Part of the Armorsmithing quest involves making a set of chainmail bulletproof.

    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    While Garlean technology DOES give them an advantage, the advantage should be OVERWHELMING, but the game presents it as just an edge.
    I get the impression that Garlean technology is hugely wasteful of raw resources. Whatever advantages in combat they offer seems to be offset by just how much material went into their production. When I look at their bases they just seem so hugely wasteful in metal. The Garleans build a giant artillery cannon and instead of using it to bombard Eorzea from their side of the wall, they instead use it to blow up their own buildings and shoot at their own men thanks to Zenos.
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    Enkidoh Roux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I get the impression that Garlean technology is hugely wasteful of raw resources. Whatever advantages in combat they offer seems to be offset by just how much material went into their production. When I look at their bases they just seem so hugely wasteful in metal. The Garleans build a giant artillery cannon and instead of using it to bombard Eorzea from their side of the wall, they instead use it to blow up their own buildings and shoot at their own men thanks to Zenos.
    That is probably deliberate though, which also explains why, for all the Garlean Empire's vaunted miltary might, the Alliance has consistantly trounced them (or at least been able to hold out and beat them back). It's by design, as it fits
    Emet-Selch's
    MO - he didn't create empires to steamroll all opposition and then have a long-term pax imperium set in on it's conquered lands , no, he created empires with the expectation that those under the empire's jackboot would rise up in bloody opposition, thus setting up the right conditions for Calamities, and yes, that means giving the opposition a fighting chance. Consuming resources needlessly only works in his favour.

    After all, look at the Agrius and it's sister ships. Huge floating fortresses which look impressive, and yet in the Battle of Silvertear Skies (in 1.0's opening movie) it merely attacks Midgardsormr and the Dravanian Horde with small arms fire (not a single cannon is seen being fired from it, only masses of tiny rounds being presumedly fired by it's crew from all along the ship). They're basically bloated paper tigers (and all it took was Middy to blast it once to send it crashing back to Hydaelyn. So yeah, it's clear
    Emet
    set up Garlemald in such a way as to be powerful initially, but then easily overcome after a certain point where their insatiable consumption of resources becomes unsustainable and their opposition learns how to use their power easily against them (as the Alliance has increasingly learned to do). No wonder they were so quick to use Black Rose (but that's another story entirelly).
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    Last edited by Enkidoh; 11-29-2019 at 04:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    Emet-Selch's
    If you're going to spoiler-tag his name, you should be covering up the whole paragraph about his motivations as well. That's more of a spoiler whether you know the name of who's doing it or not.
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    After completing some of the Crystaline Mean quest-lines, I thought of Eorzea and how they're about on the same level when it comes to crafting and production. And I wish the DoH stories for the Source didn't immediately disinterest me. There's a lot of tidbits sprinkled for what's the norm and daily life, and who better to learn it from than the people who make armor and fix their city-states.... but I just can't get vested like I can with the quests for the Crystarium.

    Also, with a lot of the comments in this thread in mind, magic does skew one's views on convenience. I mean, I still question the levels and methods of indoor plumbing, but if a certain raid is to go by, it looks like you can just tap a water crystal to get a flow going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

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    E'renndis Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    I mean, I still question the levels and methods of indoor plumbing, but if a certain raid is to go by, it looks like you can just tap a water crystal to get a flow going.
    Actually, they use spring crystals as a water source. There is a couple HW quests involving it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erendis View Post
    Actually, they use spring crystals as a water source. There is a couple HW quests involving it.
    Levequests or sidequests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

  9. #29
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    Levequests or sidequests?
    Beast tribe quests if I remember right. Possibly some normal sidequest as well.
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    Rannie Lfey
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    It was done during the main story quest when we went to the sea of clouds Emmanellian was captured by the Vanu at that time and we went to rescue him and first met Bismarck. That was the first time we gathered those water crystals then after I believe it was also in the Zundu beast tribe quests.

    Edit: basically the msq went like this Francel's sister wanted the fortemps playboy to get off his behind and actually do some honest work we tell him to go gather the water crystals because they needed a supply of fresh water so lover boy does it but decides to make it a contest to see who could get the biggest one(him or your character). After you finally found the one you wanted you find out that dumbo hadn't returned and so you look for him and find the fool had wandered too far and got captured... forcing you to save his lazy behind... old boy
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    Last edited by Rannie; 11-29-2019 at 07:07 PM.

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