I fell sorry for PLD's...

[SirThesd]

wow, people still think PLD is broke? is that because you dont know how to Play PLD or simply because you dont understand the purpose of a tank ? All I have read in this forum is PLD bashing from people who obvously have never played the job long enough to know what the hell they are talking about.... as far as the DEVs copping out , give it a rest. Only people to blame for the reduction of HP on war are the crybabies in the forums ( >.> ) Not that I care mind you. The more you people talk out your asses the more you make PLD op over WAR soo continue , please, just thought I would inform everyone that PLD is not broke and all this bashing is comming from ignorance not experiance

I haven't met a PLD that can pull hate off me yet, at least not for long enough to be called a main tank.
Emnity>HP all I'm saying, considering WAR gets the stats to boost wep attack AND get hp/def compared to a PLD's STR/MND. was I not clear enough in my original post?
I'm not trying to beat you down, seriously, was I not clear enough...

It's not a question of Paladin being broken or not, it's a question of maximizing effectiveness and party cohesion.

Can Paladin tank anything in this game competently? Absolutely, however, Warrior can accomplish that too, and often times in such a way that the enemy dies at an expedited rate, which is typically the best route with Square's new penchant for time restricted endgame content.

They had this same problem for years between Paladin and Ninja in XI. Paladin could keep hate on themselves for days, but it was a moot point when Ninja took little to no damage, and with certain other jobs assisting them, could maintain enmity perfectly fine.

You understand what I'm (trying and failing...) to get at here :|

[Krausus]

I feel sorry for PLD as well their AF looks horrible =P

[KumaAkuma]

I feel sorry for PLD as well their AF looks horrible =P

Pld Af stats are horrible

[Krausus]

Pld Af stats are horrible

lol most AF stats are not so great in comparison to WAR

[Dragon]

lol most AF stats are not so great in comparison to WAR

WAR AF isn't so good either.

In fact, so far the only AF sets I've found that stand out so far are BRD and WHM.

[Aceofspades]

I have no parses yet to post , till i get them sent to me , this is what i found when testing def on 58 mobs (sphene doblyns)


WAR ifrit's axe
cobalt gear: 644def 96 dmg 282vit (291 avg dmg taken) 3664 hp

AF gear : 586def 292vit (334 avg dmg taken) 3688 hp

058def 96/58=1.66 dmg per def added


PLD no shield
cobalt gear: 656def 292vit (286 avg dmg taken) 3167 hp

AF gear: 604def 278vit (312 avg dmg taken) 2937 hp

PLD with shield
cobalt gear: 695def 292vit (262 avg dmg taken) 3167 hp

cobalt gear: 695def 315vit (248 avg dmg taken) 3190 hp (with a vit+ cobalt winglet.)

tests were done with no jewlry added. I do recomend def materia melded over vit simply because you can add 36 vit on hq rings alone, then you can add vit to legs and the sword , wich leaves only two spots in wich to add def. I recomend to keep the ratio 1 vit for every 2 def. dmg deflected overtime is a MUCH higher payoff over HP materia added. That being said, anytime you anticipate a quick and fairly painless fight, WAR is a better option simply for its ability to add to the dps, but if damage taken or keeping the tank alive for any duration past a 5 minute fight, I would go with a PLD tank as the safest route.

[SirThesd]

I have no parses yet to post , till i get them sent to me , this is what i found when testing def on 58 mobs (sphene doblyns)


WAR ifrit's axe
cobalt gear: 644def 96 dmg 282vit (291 avg dmg taken) 3664 hp

AF gear : 586def 292vit (334 avg dmg taken) 3688 hp

058def 96/58=1.66 dmg per def added


PLD no shield
cobalt gear: 656def 292vit (286 avg dmg taken) 3167 hp

AF gear: 604def 278vit (312 avg dmg taken) 2937 hp

PLD with shield
cobalt gear: 695def 292vit (262 avg dmg taken) 3167 hp

cobalt gear: 695def 315vit (248 avg dmg taken) 3190 hp (with a vit+ cobalt winglet.)

tests were done with no jewlry added. I do recomend def materia melded over vit simply because you can add 36 vit on hq rings alone, then you can add vit to legs and the sword , wich leaves only two spots in wich to add def. I recomend to keep the ratio 1 vit for every 2 def. dmg deflected overtime is a MUCH higher payoff over HP materia added. That being said, anytime you anticipate a quick and fairly painless fight, WAR is a better option simply for its ability to add to the dps, but if damage taken or keeping the tank alive for any duration past a 5 minute fight, I would go with a PLD tank as the safest route.

Explains why I'm higher HP than all the PLD's I know, though I dont see any reference to Emnity at all, +Damage = +Emnity fair enough, but thats what I've been trying to get at for god knows how long now.

[Galliano]

PLD just need to be able to hold hate, I barely have to do anything on my WAR and I'm blinking red. I've always wanted my MRD/WAR to be a DD; but now I seem to be tanking most of the time. Maybe this is why they're bumping the enmity + and - materia stats in the next patch, hopefully that will sort things out.