Tank dodging

[Shurrikhan]

As anyone doing positionals on a spinning mob would tell you, the delay you see is almost purely a visual one, rather than actually delaying enemy attacks at all, and attempting consistent positionals against constantly tank-spun mobs is the basis for one of the first few layers of hell, if not deeper.

[Mavrias]

Please don't do this. It's really annoying to get cleaved by mobs/ having to dodge extra aoes because the tank can't stop spinning everything.

[Rasikko]

Myeah, its not like im running around in huge circles pulling the mobs around, i just run closely around the pack or through them. Sometimes a half circle to just make the monsters turn. Also if there a ninja or something similiar aoe i try to pull all the monsters into the circle, so dps do have a perfectly placed stack of mobs to deal with. DPS wise, most dps should target the center monster to make a hit on all of them. Something i did trough experience leveling summoner and other casters. Got tons of experience leveling tank, healer, dps to 80 so i know what each and everyone needs for a perfect dungeon run xD

As for healers not managing, im talking about massive pulls not just single packs. I noticed scholar and astro seems to have a bit of trouble with giant packs while WHM can holy stun them.

WHM can just throw tetra/benediction/solace(GCD though)/assize(:/all these nifty instants) during all of that holying. AST stacks the regens and then hope the DPS burn everything down before the tank CD's and AST tools run out. SCH is a different story altogether..

Anyway, auto-attacks from mobs don't care about line of sight it seems. Attacks that aren't telegraphed but require you be in the front, these only get delayed. However, Diresaur type mobs(think Stone Vigil Hard Mode last boss(es), these attacks can be dodged.

All in all, speaking from a healer perspective, by all means go into Barry Sanders mode on those mobs.

[RyzerStormwind]

Just dodge AoEs, Use CDs if needed and follow instance specific mechanics - nothing more, Spinning unnecessarily will annoy your Healer.
And there is always the risk of a disoriented AOE telegraph landing on the DPS.

[CazzT]

You can't dodge autoattacks by moving behind the mob. Autoattacks work almost identical for player and npc/ai so you can test how it works on a target dummy. Start autoattacking, then turn your back to the target. You will still autoattack it. Same for mobs.

[Warskull]

Wondering if it actually works, most times when i tank i pull 2 - 3 packs of monsters, hit rampart, spam aoe's while running around inside the huge pile of mobs, avoiding aoes. Im wondering, is it possible to dodge monster attacks by moving around them, since they have such a slow turn rate? And when im low health or i feel the healer can't keep up, i start fleeing from the pack so less monsters hit me, something i found works.

I noticed alot of less experienced tanks standing in one spot, getting hammered by monsters and the healers being unable to keep up. Being contantly on the move have helped me alot while tanking.

This is bad tanking. Auto-attacks can't be dodged. Maybe you delay it a fraction of a second for negligible DPS reduction. In return you are denying any positionals your DPS may want to do and making it more difficult for your healer if they click to target, which many do. At the same time you have more than enough mitigation if your gear is on par. Plus you run the risk of cleaving your DPS, one cleave and all gains you made are gone. You can also end up reducing your team DPS by forcing your DPS to dodge more.

Move for the telegraphs, not for the auto attacks. Between arms length, rampart, your 30% reduction cooldown, and AoE reprisal you have a ton of mitigation before you even get into tank specific tools.

[Anienai]

NINs and BLMs love it when you sprint off.

[RopeDrink]

Such methods cause longer fights due to losing DPS, thus you would actually lose health/mitigation as it's going on longer than necessary. As someone above mentioned, circling will not actually prevent them hitting you unless mobs are so stacked up and/or have overly large hit-boxes that they have to push each other around to reach you first -- and even then, you won't dodge much and would be infinitely better off just keeping them as stable as humanly possible.

I met a tank today while levelling my MNK who made a point of doing 'staggered pulls'. He'd pull a pack, wait until it's all at 5-10% then sprint off for the next, which is actually aggravating as it is much slower than just pulling the packs together and frequently forces the DPS and Healers to sacrifice what they're doing to follow for no actual benefit other than lost heals/DPS. In addition, the guy would barely ever stay still, so I would have to constantly gobble through True North to ensure at least most of my damage was positionally correct, as opposed to ALL of it if they just stood still. In short, longer fights = more health lost due to tanking longer = does not make up for the 0.1% you'd save by maybe moving out of an auto-attack once in a blue moon.

Grab everything and rotate your mitigation. Everyone will thank you for it. Run around like a pleb? Nobody is going to like having you tank for them.

[Izsha]

You cant dodge auto attacks by spinning around monsters. If you are in range you will get hit. However they cant hit you if they are to far away. Like sprinting during a mass pull the guys in the back obviously cant hit you until they catch up, but most monsters run at or faster than players so it's a sprint only option.

The only caveat is very specific attacks that lock on to a location while casting like 10 ton swing cleaves from minataurs or those upright dragon creatures that 'charge up' their attack moves and you just dodge them. But for the most part, autos will always hit unless you move away, not around. And charged moves go off (you cant run away from a tabk buster even though you bolt away while its frozen casting)

The 'slow' turn from monsters is just an animation. It's still hitting you regardless of the visual.

[Windwalker]

I don't understand the complains about positionals, like all aoes have no positionals, they hit a large area and should be spammed on big pulls. None of the jobs i played use positionals with aoe's and in most cases im more than thankful for the tank to pull them togheter, spinning them around doesn't matter since healers/casters/ranged should keep their distance and melee dps should have no trouble using arms lengh and bloodbath.