Thread: [Request] Add Lv.60+ Squadron OR Trust dungeons for SB leveling deadzone

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You'd think it was, but that is the mindset of many people who play this game in particular. Also, it seems to be the development direction SE is choosing to take by adding trusts.

I've always viewed this game as a single player game that just happens to be an mmo. I say that mainly because of the MSQ being presented as what you would get in a single player game.

I've also read somewhere that SE wants all main series Final Fantasy games to always be playable one way or another. As we know this game won't be running forever. The servers will be shut down one day. In my view they are already laying the groundwork for a non mmo version of it.

This doesn't mean it will be shut down anytime soon of course. I see this game lasting for many years to come. Nothing wrong with getting things set up ahead of time though. Makes things easier in the future.

Originally Posted by Doozer

But can't you just... like... do the dungeons normally? I understand with some stuff you may want to see it first for yourself without any pressure, but it is an MMO. You're not meant to be avoiding queues. And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing.

I already mentioned it, but why would they add the Trust system and cover every single dungeon for 71+ if they thought that was an issue? They obviously added it for a reason, so why wouldn't that same reason apply for the Stormblood leveling gap? That's my whole point.

The excuse that "And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing." is a terrible reason to bring up when Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High exist, and what is recommended for people to do. At the very least Squadrons/Trust put you in actual dungeon situations.

And just as a real example for why not doing the dungeons normally, when I queued for Leveling Roulette on SMN it was over a 25m wait. That in itself would be an entire dungeon run if I could queue instantly.

Now imagine DPS queues for leveling dungeons when it's not a roulette. You are simply wasting time when you could be instant queue solo given all the other examples between Squadrons and Trust.

It's simply the fact that for whatever reason this option isn't available for the Stormblood gap comparatively to the rest of the game. It just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by zeth07

The excuse that "And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing." is a terrible reason to bring up when Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High exist, and what is recommended for people to do. At the very least Squadrons/Trust put you in actual dungeon situations.

IMO nothing in the game really teaches anything so I agree with you here. At the same time you have to pay way more attention with trusts and squadron than you have with real players because with others (especially if you are the DD) you can be carried through the whole dungeon and die to everything without consequences. If you die with the NPCs that fight is over and you have to start it again. Of course one could AFK between the bosses and I have used that with trusts to take a breather when I was leveling it all up. But as soon as the bosses are there you have to be on your toes.

Lately the only thing that diverges from AI and players is that Ai don't fake dc and say rude stuff.
It's sad comical that peeps nowadays can't even make a macro with "hello" but do flame is a wink.

Re: you don't learn mechanics without real humans.
It seems to me to be the opposite. Trust npcs follow all mechanics fully, so with them you learn them more easily as well. Hell, I always watched a bunch of guides before doing dungeons and still had trouble understanding the mechanics once inside, with the Trust you just see what the npcs do and understand right away what to do. In DF a lot of people don't even know what they're doing so you really don't learn much.
As for squadrons, they are so bad at doing dungeons that they require you to do double effort for the dungeon, and that also teaches you a lot. And no matter your role you're always the leader so you can't just lazily follow.

As for the OP, I fully agree. I honestly hope they'll expans the Trust to all game eventually, retroactively. I'm not too fond of squadrons, and sadly they only cover few dungeons too, but squadrons to 70 would also be appreciated, yeah. More options never hurt.

Originally Posted by Jybril

Plus Trusts were mainly added to alleviate DPS queue times.
It just so happens a lot of people use them for any job role though.

Even if you're happy to play with other players, but want to level trusts (I want scenario mode back ), keeping them raised evenly means you have to do half your runs as tank so Thancred can be left out of the party. Otherwise he's needed every time.

Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

I wouldn't mind additional dungeons for my full Offensive 5 squadron to test their mighty powers against. Extra XP and loot for me, with a little extra time saved compared to some average dungeon runs.

I also would love more dungeons & new level cap of 70 for my squadrons. All 8 of my squadron members are capped & very OP. Unlike the TRUST, my squadrons can mow down a mob very quickly. Give them a few of the 61-69 & 70 dungeons. I also love getting the weekly squadron buffs that I use when I visit other worlds.