Thread: [Request] Add Lv.60+ Squadron OR Trust dungeons for SB leveling deadzone

As it stands now there is a deadzone for leveling alt jobs in dungeons solo for the 60-70 level gap from Stormblood that is not a problem for ARR, HW, or ShB due to Squadrons and Trust systems.

- For ARR there is a wide variety of dungeons from 20-47(50).
- For HW there is a minimal selection for 50, 53, and 57 (60), but still reasonable.
- For SB....there is nothing for Squadrons, technically you could do the 60 dungeons but that's not nearly the same.
- For ShB there is the Trust system, which covers the entire Lv71+ dungeons except for 2 80 ones that's largely unnecessary for leveling (obviously).

There are other alternatives like Palace of the Dead for 1-60 and Heaven on High for 61+, but that is just one method whereas you can see the dungeon method is covered for every other section so why not 60-70?

For example there isn't an alternative PotD version for 70+ yet but that could be added later for all we know, but the same can't be said for the dungeon alternative going backwards as mentioned since it already happened for that patch cycle.

With the Trust system now in place it seems odd to go backwards and use Squadrons to cover this level gap, so instead I imagine they can continue to use the Trust system to expand into this instead. The one issue I could see is the lore context of their outfits in old content but we know there are alternatives to that that they can use (even if not unlocked, they can be forced, so the "selection" is the reward once maxed still).

They could of course also add more characters to use as Trusts and give people a reason to go back and use them. For example Hien and Yugiri or Aymeric and Magnai.

If they don't want to include nearly every dungeon for 60+ section like the Trust system is for 70+, they could at least implement the selection based on the Squadron selection.

Current Squadron Dungeons:
- Multiple Lv.50 Item Sync Dungeons
- WP Hard = Lv.50 no item sync
- Sohm Al = Lv.53
- The Vault = Lv.57
- Two Lv.60 Item Sync Dungeons

So for Stormblood's Lv.60-70 section it would be something like:

- Whatever Lv.60 Item Sync Dungeons
- Sohm Al Hard = Lv.60 no item sync (or any of the 8...)
- Shisui of the Violet Tides = Lv.63
- Doma Castle = Lv.67
- Whatever Lv.70 Item Sync Dungeons

The idea is that we should have options available to us across the board, but for whatever reason that deadzone in Stormblood exists with the only alternative being Heaven on High.

They wouldn't have added the Trust system if they felt like they wanted more people just queueing for dungeons, so why then does this section of solo dungeon leveling not exist.

I think this is a reasonable thing to consider going forward as it would let people avoid queues for leveling this section if they so choose or at the very least not be stuck mindlessly grinding HoH. And of course allows them to expand the Trust system to add more things for people to grind to keep playing.

But can't you just... like... do the dungeons normally? I understand with some stuff you may want to see it first for yourself without any pressure, but it is an MMO. You're not meant to be avoiding queues. And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing.

Originally Posted by Doozer

But can't you just... like... do the dungeons normally? I understand with some stuff you may want to see it first for yourself without any pressure, but it is an MMO. You're not meant to be avoiding queues. And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing.

But I hate people. I just play MMOs to be able to avoid them.

Originally Posted by Tint

But I hate people. I just play MMOs to be able to avoid them.

I'll assume that's a joke.

Originally Posted by Doozer

But can't you just... like... do the dungeons normally? I understand with some stuff you may want to see it first for yourself without any pressure, but it is an MMO. You're not meant to be avoiding queues. And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing.

I leveled all my jobs to 80 until a few weeks ago and the gap from 61-70 was honestly the worst. So many runs with randoms..and so many runs with horrible playing or rude people. It was enough that I did countless of runs of HoH inbetween (but its boring and sadly there are enough people that are annoyed when you use the items you gathered mostly yourself on stuff they dont like even though it makes the run faster...) but I was so happy when I finally reached 71 (70-71 was mostly done with fates) and I only ran the MSQ roulette each day on top of doing the rest with the trusts.

I am a solo player and hate dungeons with randoms. I would have never leveled the jobs up if it was all with randoms.

Originally Posted by Jybril

Plus Trusts were mainly added to alleviate DPS queue times.
It just so happens a lot of people use them for any job role though.

Even if you're happy to play with other players, but want to level trusts (I want scenario mode back ), keeping them raised evenly means you have to do half your runs as tank so Thancred can be left out of the party. Otherwise he's needed every time.

Originally Posted by Alleo

I leveled all my jobs to 80 until a few weeks ago and the gap from 61-70 was honestly the worst. So many runs with randoms..and so many runs with horrible playing or rude people. It was enough that I did countless of runs of HoH inbetween (but its boring and sadly there are enough people that are annoyed when you use the items you gathered mostly yourself on stuff they dont like even though it makes the run faster...) but I was so happy when I finally reached 71 (70-71 was mostly done with fates) and I only ran the MSQ roulette each day on top of doing the rest with the trusts.

I am a solo player and hate dungeons with randoms. I would have never leveled the jobs up if it was all with randoms.

I havent played HoH in a long time. Being using MSQ roulette to level my alts. I dont mind randoms players sometime but like you, I am basically a solo player.

Originally Posted by Doozer

But can't you just... like... do the dungeons normally? I understand with some stuff you may want to see it first for yourself without any pressure, but it is an MMO. You're not meant to be avoiding queues. And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing.

I already mentioned it, but why would they add the Trust system and cover every single dungeon for 71+ if they thought that was an issue? They obviously added it for a reason, so why wouldn't that same reason apply for the Stormblood leveling gap? That's my whole point.

The excuse that "And doing trusts and squadrons won't teach you the nuances of playing." is a terrible reason to bring up when Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High exist, and what is recommended for people to do. At the very least Squadrons/Trust put you in actual dungeon situations.

And just as a real example for why not doing the dungeons normally, when I queued for Leveling Roulette on SMN it was over a 25m wait. That in itself would be an entire dungeon run if I could queue instantly.

Now imagine DPS queues for leveling dungeons when it's not a roulette. You are simply wasting time when you could be instant queue solo given all the other examples between Squadrons and Trust.

It's simply the fact that for whatever reason this option isn't available for the Stormblood gap comparatively to the rest of the game. It just doesn't make sense.