Dear Healers

[MitsukiKimura]

This isn't a tanking problem, or a healing problem - this is a stupidity issue within the raid. All it takes is the raid to work together for a change rather than against the mechanics. You can literally join near the center boss and attack either both tanks from behind each of them as a raid while the goliaths are faced away and AoE heal just fine. If one of your tanks is pointing the goliaths to the center of the platform, they should be slapped on the face and told to wake up.

I wouldn't go as far as assuming everyone is what you say they are in the raid. Maybe a suggestion but hostility gets you nowhere.

[Greyhawk]

I wouldn't go as far as assuming everyone is what you say they are in the raid. Maybe a suggestion but hostility gets you nowhere.

It's not hostility - it's a fact of functionality within a group of people working towards a common goal. Team-building exercises are no different. You work together to accomplish a common goal with little to no exertion of effort. This makes it easier for those with different roles within the group.

If you have a group of people making it difficult for a core necessity part of the group to accomplish the goal, they are offered the choice to make it more simple for the entire group rather than themselves, which is most of the time the problem that is within the group. Selfishness, not selflessness.

[Zsplash]

It's a raid of random people, if people don't know how to adjust to fix these situations on a personal level this is what happens.

Example: Knowing dps and tank split up often times on this fight because there's no "left or right first for alliance X"

Either adjust by telling your alliance to start on one tank, watch which one the dps go to, moan and groan at healers to heal you better, or play a tank with better invuln/personal healing(cough paladin) in this raid.

Those are the only likely ways to fix anything, if you can't trust others then work around them.

And of course, tanks aren't born leaders... just because they initiate a fight.

[Windwalker]

Havn't seen this happening in the nier raid. I always get heals while tanking whether im main tank or not.

[TaleraRistain]

I stay in the center and can usually heal both the tank and the dps who go to the other Goliath. Just gotta shimmy around the AoEs from time to time.

[MitsukiKimura]

It's not hostility - it's a fact of functionality within a group of people working towards a common goal. Team-building exercises are no different. You work together to accomplish a common goal with little to no exertion of effort. This makes it easier for those with different roles within the group.

If you have a group of people making it difficult for a core necessity part of the group to accomplish the goal, they are offered the choice to make it more simple for the entire group rather than themselves, which is most of the time the problem that is within the group. Selfishness, not selflessness.

Team building exercises do not include degrading other people in your team. Complete opposite effect.

[Freyt]

This kind of response boggles my mind. Probably because I've seen this sort of thing in action unfortunately, and what usually ends up happening is that the Goliath then turns around to the next highest in threat which is a Melee DPS. Then, because the tanks are positioned the way they are the next tank buster blast is aimed at every single melee dps, healers, and the tank handling the other goliath. If this doesn't wipe the raid at best you are looking at finishing that part with a lot of dead people, to include healers. All because Two healers decided their dps members were more important than the guy keeping the death beam pointed away.

I've never had a raid wipe in Copied Factory under my healing supervision. I keep alive whoever's necessary to be kept alive. Simple as it sounds, the tank is not always crucial to the raids survival. Meanwhile the time that the tank is likely to die at that point is from those beams, so I have plenty of time to raise the tank and for them to get enmity back.

Not to mention there's 3 player tanks, and 2 enemy tanks. 1 is expendable here.

[JBee]

the same could be said about you the tank who isn't with his party and attacking the wrong goliath tank XD

Hold up.

Last boss, "Engage Goliath Tank Support" fires, dropping two tanks on the field. Both tanks will tank buster multiple times. Kill both. Boss picks one at random to explode, where the raid has to run to the opposite corner to hide behind the corpse of the other tank, wait for the explosion, and then run back out to avoid the explosion of the corpse they just used as cover.

There are two tanks being engaged simultaneously - not three... Not the adds phases of the bosses in this zone where A B and C separate, but two corners of the field.

If one of my healers told me I was on the wrong tank for that specific part, where there is no set or accepted placement of A B and C (at least from what I have seen, and I think I've ran this as a tank now moire times than I care to admit to), then that screams to me the healer is just trying to cover their own mistakes.

Healers INTENTIONALLY not staying in range of their tank, for whatever reason, is bad form and bad play. Just like it's bad form to AFK through a Labryrinth alliance run cause you know they won't get a vote off before the 5 minute window, and the loot will protect you the rest of the time.

Typically, but not always, and at least on Aether.... Whoever is tanking the boss stays in the middle. When the goliath tanks are dropping, the other two tanks generally tank stance up and grab them. Not always, though, and sometimes the MT will try to grab all three for no reason at all. But that's not concrete.

Now if A's tank role was at C's spot in an ABC adds phase, that's different. That's when saying something about wrong spot, over here, ac "Rescue" or something comes into play.

[Makeda]

Goliath tanks... is this the part where two add tanks spawn on opposite corners and we split between them?

I've noticed many times that I get 3 tanks on one and 0 on the other... or my whole group goes to one marked for it... except for our tank... who goes to the other one...

I notice things like that on several ad spawns in there... even when we put down the A, B, C marks - either a healer or a tank goes with the wrong group. In the chaos I've done it a few times myself... so it's more when it becomes a pattern that it gets annoying.

I need to try tanking that place... except my GNB didn't need any of the gear and my SCH was the least geared 80 I had when it came out... I wonder how many other people are using it for that - gearing their alt jobs. we've had gear at or better than it for so long now even people like me that are NOT doing savage raids generally don't need the gear from it for our main jobs. For people actually in savage the Alliance raid is a waste of time except for on that 'alt job' they rarely use otherwise... So there's kinda bound to be some confusion...

[hynaku]

Just glad I never been in any these raid parties ones is talking about. All Nier raids I have ran other than first week have all gone really smooth.