Please bring back 8v8v8 Frontlines

[Nalien]

This and this. Yoshi P has outright said they don't bother with PVP for main expansion launches because everyone is doing the MSQ.

Citation, please? Because my memory goes back rather far;

3.05 - Seal Rock is introduced as a new Frontlines map, widely regarded as one of the better Frontlines maps too might I add, so much so that Yoshida has described the upcoming new map as a Seal Rock II.
4.0 - Saw a complete overhaul of PvP actions. Wont comment on the quality of such an adjustment, but it was there right at launch all the same.
4.05 - Season 5 of Feast kicked off, lasting until 4.15.
5.0 - While nothing on the level of 4.0s changes, we did once again see adjustment to PvP actions. Made their whole "We're not talking about PvP yet" during pre-release interviews a bit odd, given they did actually have changes to show us, just that they opted not to talk about them in the lead up to the expansion because... PvPers aren't worth it, I guess?

They clearly do bother with PvP at expansion launches. They do balance changes, and in the past, they delivered new maps and Feast seasons with far more expedience than they have with Shadowbringers. Shadowbringers, for some reason, has seen a shift in their approach to PvP. They're clearly still bothering, it's just their approach is... Muddled? I don't know, that's the best way I can describe it. I wish they weren't, as you put it, bothering with PvP right now, because then we'd still have 24 player Frontlines to enjoy. As it is, they're focusing purely on Frontlines, completely at the expense of Feast for some reason (I thought Feast and the FRC was SEs up and coming eSports (a joke in it's own right), why then throw it under the bus like this?), and then awkwardly deciding to just butcher Frontlines all the same. Imagine if they announced the new dungeons for Shadowbringers, then also announced that they're deleting the Duty Finder, that's the level of bewilderment I feel here. It's still possible to get into Frontlines, it's just now far harder and pops far rarer than it needs to be, because... Why exactly? As I said, I wish they were doing nothing with PvP right now. Nothing is better than being shot in the foot like this...

Like... I don't mind the new map being in 5.15, when Seal Rock was 3.05. A delay like that is completely understandable. Feast seasons simply not happening anymore? Less understandable, there's no real reason we couldn't have had at least one season already. Everything else? It's just a complete and utter nonsensical mess... I mean... Why were the 5.0 changes there to begin with? They were almost completely swept away by 5.1, and for the most part I think 5.0 was a solid improvement (some jobs of coursed needed some more attention, but I'm sure they could have gotten it if literally every job wasn't then changed), where as 5.1 is a disaster... It's like they showed us that 5.x PvP had some great potential with 5.0, then decided to just throw it all away with 5.1, to cripple Frontlines, not bother with Feast or Rival Wings... I just cannot get my head around what their development cycle must be like for any of this to have happened...

[EnigmaticDodo]

Yes, bring it back. It was foolish to remove. They just force people to play at one time now or not at all.

[LalaRu]

It is quite clear SE is willing to reach e-sport level, but today is quite difficult reach that level starting from ground zero. Unless SE takes consulting from experts on the field of PvP gaming, I'd expect still a very lot of trial and error before PvP reaches the minimum requirements for being e-sport grade.

First step is everyone be able to load and replay PvP matches (at least in tournaments). It is necessary for everyone to improve, and makes cheating more evident if done by anyone in the party.

[EnigmaticDodo]

It is quite clear SE is willing to reach e-sport level, but today is quite difficult reach that level starting from ground zero. Unless SE takes consulting from experts on the field of PvP gaming, I'd expect still a very lot of trial and error before PvP reaches the minimum requirements for being e-sport grade.

First step is everyone be able to load and replay PvP matches (at least in tournaments). It is necessary for everyone to improve, and makes cheating more evident if done by anyone in the party.

You can cheat Frontlines/PvP? The hell?

[snipski]

Give players reasons to do PVP and maybe it will pop more often because right now unless you enjoy noob stomping with a premade or something there is really not much point to do it.
Feast is pretty much dead on EU, you basicly need 8 ppl to make custom games to be able to play it.

Im sure the new map is going to bring some more players to PVP and it might pop frequently enough for 1-2 months untill Que times slow down.

[LalaRu]

You can cheat Frontlines/PvP? The hell?

Cannot (of course) say about map teleports or early cooldown resets, but the agreements resulting on a team (or some member there) losing on purpose will be evident if you can replay the match.

[AzuraWinters]

It's getting harder to get games going. If people see a 30min queue, most back out. And people who used to pvp in the morning just can't anymore. I don't understand why it was needed to be removed. I hope you revert this change as soon as possible.

[Divinemights]

Cannot (of course) say about map teleports or early cooldown resets, but the agreements resulting on a team (or some member there) losing on purpose will be evident if you can replay the match.

Where is your evidence to backup such wild accusation?

[NessaWyvern]

Where is your evidence to backup such wild accusation?

Everybody knows about the win-trading that went on when there was the party mode in the feast. Heck, people even used to win-trade in the precursor to the feast to get titles and things.

I personally saw in season one in solo queue of the feast speed hackers, people who kept moving faster than sprint speed even with heavy and bind on.

[Moonlite]

Everybody knows about the win-trading that went on when there was the party mode in the feast. Heck, people even used to win-trade in the precursor to the feast to get titles and things.

I personally saw in season one in solo queue of the feast speed hackers, people who kept moving faster than sprint speed even with heavy and bind on.

Yeah not sure when that person started PvP. But win trading wasn't a big secret. Not sure if they are still floating around but use to have videos of people teleporting and speed hacking. I have also targeted people underground and in walls. Either I am not paying as much attention or people have figured out no real point in cheating in frontlines. I will admit never seen anything that would be a damage increase hack except the PoTD poms.