Critical hit! Direct hit!

[Melichoir]

Can I "speedmeme" a monk by slamming nothing but skill speed into everything on top of Greased Lightning IV and have it be ridiculously fast?

Because now I want to do that. ._.

Edit - 0.07 seconds taken off the base GCD.

More or less yes, you can get rediculously low GCD compared to other classes on monk and sam. Youll get issues with allignment and double weaving as a result, but its something you can do. There is a point where to much SKS will cause a DPS loss simply because itll start cutting into that Crit/DH, but its usually still a plausible build. You just wont have as good parses as someone whos optimized.

The game does allow for some of these shenanigans, and it is fun, but it comes with caveats. Youll definitely encounter people who will call you trash for going that high in SKS because to them, min maxing dps is the only way to play the game.

[ReiMakoto]

More or less yes, you can get rediculously low GCD compared to other classes on monk and sam. Youll get issues with allignment and double weaving as a result, but its something you can do. There is a point where to much SKS will cause a DPS loss simply because itll start cutting into that Crit/DH, but its usually still a plausible build. You just wont have as good parses as someone whos optimized.

The game does allow for some of these shenanigans, and it is fun, but it comes with caveats. Youll definitely encounter people who will call you trash for going that high in SKS because to them, min maxing dps is the only way to play the game.

I do not think this is true at all, I ran meme speed DRK in SB for a long time and no one ever commented on it, no one cares, people would only every call you trash if you try to claim its better.

[RitsukoSonoda]

More or less yes, you can get rediculously low GCD compared to other classes on monk and sam. Youll get issues with allignment and double weaving as a result, but its something you can do. There is a point where to much SKS will cause a DPS loss simply because itll start cutting into that Crit/DH, but its usually still a plausible build. You just wont have as good parses as someone whos optimized.

The game does allow for some of these shenanigans, and it is fun, but it comes with caveats. Youll definitely encounter people who will call you trash for going that high in SKS because to them, min maxing dps is the only way to play the game.

One thing people overlook is all this min/max stat optimizing IMO is lost on a majority of players because their actual gameplay isn't optimized to maximize their uptime using it. After all, your DPS is 0 when dead on the floor or when you're running around and not actually attacking the monster. The latter IMO is easiest to avoid happening for ranged physical DPS jobs yet for some reason I see them dying more often than other jobs when I'm in duties.

[Melichoir]

One thing people overlook is all this min/max stat optimizing IMO is lost on a majority of players because their actual gameplay isn't optimized to maximize their uptime using it. After all, your DPS is 0 when dead on the floor or when you're running around and not actually attacking the monster. The latter IMO is easiest to avoid happening for ranged physical DPS jobs yet for some reason I see them dying more often than other jobs when I'm in duties.

I dont think its all that lost on the majority. Rather, I think its more accurate to say that a small minority of very technically driven and skilled players find out the min/max and write guides or put that info out there, and the broader majority (which isnt as skilled and will not be able to utilize that information to its full extent) simply adopts that information and builds their characters to fit the min max as close as possible. They treat the information as the final word, rather than it just being "This will theoretically get you the most DPS."

It all comes down to the fact someone will always find the min max, write a guide, and hte broader playerbase will adopt it as the end all be all of stat builds and not venture far from it.

[Kuroka]

Imo they should just add all role relevant substats to all gear and only move around the numbers, so we got a crit, a ss, a det set... its so annoying if tons of gear just have terrible stats.

But its about time they show us what those numbers actually do... for the most part i just dont like melding DH, idk why...

[Jojoya]

I don't think I've played a game where stats didn't end up boring in the long run. Even WoW's Mastery (effect changed based on class specialization) fell flat.

Anyone played a game where stats felt fun and interesting? If so, what made them that way?

[Melichoir]

I don't think I've played a game where stats didn't end up boring in the long run. Even WoW's Mastery (effect changed based on class specialization) fell flat.

Anyone played a game where stats felt fun and interesting? If so, what made them that way?

Ragnarok Online, because you could customize classes based on stats. Be a Knight with 190 ASPD, or tanky AF. Or a Bogue (bow rogue). Dagger Sin vs Crit Sin, Pump a ton of Int/Vit into swordy and go Crusader and spam GC. Pump agi luck for falcon spam as a hunter, or int dex for double straff spam. Battle priests with massive amounts of Vit/STR and you slap the crap outta things with a mace. Etc. There were still "Builds" but you had a lot more flexibility in doing ridiculously stupid crack in that game and still have it work.

Most MMOs moved away from stat allocation due to balance unfortunately. They shoe horned everyone into a 'role' and have it set so that outside of wierd fluke builds, everything ends up being the same stats and builds at the endgame. It allows devs to better predict how players will be and to counter cheese builds. Makes the game more boring though. I also think that part of this comes from WoW. WoW kind of set the trend and everyones been using them as the benchmark since. WoW had a lot of great ideas, but making everything so 'boxed in' killed some of the fun in MMOs and doing different stat builds.

FFXIV couldnt do that unfortunately because it would require breaking the trinity. Imagine a DD version of DRK with stat weights more focused on things Int/STR and substats for Det and piety or something. Or a Monk build that focuses heavy Vit/STR with Tenacity/Crit for tanking. Etc etc. Would be a vastly different game.

[Edax]

I don't think I've played a game where stats didn't end up boring in the long run. Even WoW's Mastery (effect changed based on class specialization) fell flat.

Anyone played a game where stats felt fun and interesting? If so, what made them that way?

KOTOR had interesting stats. This came down to the fact that your character had a base of 10 and any point increase had a dramatic effect. In single player RPGs, you can get away with overpowered stat builds and abilities but with MMOs it's discouraged to have wildly varying balance. The problem with the multiplayer experience is that you can't make yourself special without making someone else angry.

[ZeffieShida]

KOTOR had interesting stats. This came down to the fact that your character had a base of 10 and any point increase had a dramatic effect. In single player RPGs, you can get away with overpowered stat builds and abilities but with MMOs it's discouraged to have wildly varying balance. The problem with the multiplayer experience is that you can't make yourself special with making someone else angry.]

KOTOR was very literally a slightly changed version of the star wars D20 game based off of what was then the current edition of Dungeons & Dragons. While they give you enough points to be really good since you're the big awesome hero, only every other point is a + 1 to your behind the scenes rolls and until higher levels under the d20 system you can feel severely punished for skimping on a stat you end up using fairly often. This game too has best stats to choose and if you don't go with at least a 14 the stat just isn't that good.

The game itself, however, is easy enough you can power through despite this.

[TheForce]

Nah I think I'll continue to meld straight Tenacity and Determination like I've been doing for the last 2 years.