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    Bumping my BST comment.....

    Seriously, is XIV the only mmo without a true hunter pet class, despite BST being a class in the series, plus a staple mmo class?

    I only play XIV from time to time when there are events, like this month (Tryna get that XV car....)

    It would be my a main game in my mmo rotation if it had such a class; otherwise, I play other mmo being a pet class junkie.

    If Summoner was like XI summoner, that would be a different story......

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    Morpher; it would probably be a limited Monstrosity -esque system job though......I mean if Blue was.....there is no way they are letting people become Dragons in group dungeons.

    Summoner, I mean a real deal Holyfield summoner.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsutaMan View Post
    there is no way they are letting people become Dragons in group dungeons.

    Summoner, I mean a real deal Holyfield summoner.....
    So, why are actually unique Limit Breaks still not a thing? Such would, in a jiffy, allow for both these capacities without necessitating imbalance or a one-note toolkit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoehenflug View Post
    People lack the time and motivation to advance their ideas that won't get heard. If this thread was 100 successive posts of pure 'BST' spam, it'd probably have more impact than lenghty explanations. So it's still viable feedback.
    Sure, but the less detail they provide, the greater chance that the idea they advance will have little in common with what they actually desired and the less discourse develops to put forth more concrete (or, less "spinnable") feedback in terms of the actual gameplay loops, presence, attractors, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Sure, but the less detail they provide, the greater chance that the idea they advance will have little in common with what they actually desired and the less discourse develops to put forth more concrete (or, less "spinnable") feedback in terms of the actual gameplay loops, presence, attractors, etc.
    And that's exactly the reason I reappeared. There won't be any meaningful discourse if people's ideas just get shot down by 'it's to similiar to X'. I'm the sort of person that reads almost every comment in threads like these because I love some innocent brain storming and frankly, people being creative. Anyway..

    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
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    Well, I'd rather prefer a thinned out version with 3 'new egis' to another Limited disaster, but I feel like we are yelling at clouds at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoehenflug View Post
    And that's exactly the reason I reappeared. There won't be any meaningful discourse if people's ideas just get shot down by 'it's to similiar to X'. I'm the sort of person that reads almost every comment in threads like these because I love some innocent brain storming and frankly, people being creative. Anyway..
    I think that goes both ways, though. If everyone wants B and B does in fact happen to be too similar existing job A and future possible job C, A is historically likely to get shafted and C will probably therefore never arrive.

    It won't matter that C was actually a better use of the thematic space and could have avoided shafting A, so long as B gets enough retweets, so to speak.

    That can then be plenty infuriating, too.



    Or... we actually parse these things through. For that reason, I'd rather have the occasional downer to reorient discussion, sometimes towards a moratorium on this or that idea if no one has the energy to deal with them for the moment, than have little to no involved discussion at all... so long said as downers are still arguing on practice rather than merely on principle (as seen through decontextualized or dishonestly extreme extensions of the ideas being discussed, etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
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    I totally agree, and it also has to do with communication from the developers side as well. If we as customers ( or state citizens) have to resort to pragmatic reductions in order to be heard, it is a systematic problem. But I feel like based from what I vaguely remember, I'm running in open doors here.

    Let's say A Dragoon A2 Paladin B FFTA2 Templar C Holy Reaper.

    Nobody wanted Sage or MNK having a Phoenix AoE, and yet here we are. Not that it is a bad thing, objectively. At the end of the day, they will do what they seem fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse View Post
    totally in line with SE's general approach to things: a million aesthetic options with nothing really of depth to choose between. And I am not looking forward to it. :P
    Not gonna argue here, fellow downer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoehenflug View Post
    Well, I'd rather prefer a thinned out version with 3 'new egis' to another Limited disaster, but I feel like we are yelling at clouds at this point.
    Or yelling into clouds, perhaps haha.

    I'd be happy with a three-pet BST too, even say a single-pet BST with glamour options. Or at least, even if it weren't my personal fantasy and would just be SMN 2.0, it wouldn't leave a sour taste in my mouth like another BLU would. I think that's even less likely than a fleshed-out Companion system, though. If we get BST, we are in all probability going to get the most prototypical conception of BST any of us can conceive of, totally in line with SE's general approach to things: a million aesthetic options with nothing really of depth to choose between. And I am not looking forward to it. :P
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