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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsbane706 View Post
    Green Mage!
    > Bring back Protect, Stoneskin, et al and give them to Green Mage
    > Add in some stat reduction debuffs like defaith and deshell.
    > Main DPS spell can be something along the lines of a weaker version of Comet.
    > Weapon type can be scales of some sort.
    Not to be the wet towel, but... isn't that just a Conjurer with a somehow even smaller/duller kit in solo play?

    Now, start laying ground effects, summoning root systems you could grow with healing spells, detonating earthen shields or previous-laid spires, etc., and I'd be pretty well sold.

    But a mere buff-bot + Stone-but-from-space... ehhhh~...
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    That being said, I kind of wish we had a better feel for the distinctions between the "colors" of magic. Red might as well be "grey", Blue Mages have nothing reminiscent of their color (unless somehow blue was the general/iconic color of monsters), and Black and White end up similarly just based around nukish casts with (now) zero attached effects. It's a bit disappointing, to say the least.

    In other IPs, you'd tend to see a more integral theme to how each of those magics (or "colors" of magic) work that'd actually play into their actions. Perhaps Red magic would be more about leveraging instability from critical mixtures of opposed elements to generate a greater-than-their-sum release of magic. Maybe Blue magic would be about the "flow" between, say, one's mana and one's eikos (the sort of persistant archetype or idea of a creature, especially one with inherent mana, that has seeped into and is then partly maintained by a worldsoul -- sometimes collecting into an avatar of its/those aspects, an eikon). Such would give a bit more situation for RDM's 'mana balance' or BLU's spell-stealing and monster interactions, etc., especially if we led with those ideas to how the magic works and built upon them. Instead, what we're left with just seems like arbitrary and empty prefixes, gimmicks, etc., to give guise to old actions as new. That's perhaps a bit hyperbolic in regard to the nuts and bolts of those jobs, but I can't help feeling that way about them on the whole. And it only gets worse if I compare such against other works with differentiated colors of magic, such as Magic: The Gathering, Brent Weeks's Lightbringer series, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsbane706 View Post
    Green Mage!
    > Bring back Protect, Stoneskin, et al and give them to Green Mage
    > Add in some stat reduction debuffs like defaith and deshell.
    > Main DPS spell can be something along the lines of a weaker version of Comet.
    > Weapon type can be scales of some sort.
    Hmm... toss out the rocks from space as a basic DPS spell and change it's weapon from scales into a shillelagh. Then make it's "spells" instant case magic infused melee attacks. At least those are my first thoughts on this suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Not to be the wet towel, but... isn't that just a Conjurer with a somehow even smaller/duller kit in solo play?

    Now, start laying ground effects, summoning root systems you could grow with healing spells, detonating earthen shields or previous-laid spires, etc., and I'd be pretty well sold.

    But a mere buff-bot + Stone-but-from-space... ehhhh~...
    _____________

    That being said, I kind of wish we had a better feel for the distinctions between the "colors" of magic. Red might as well be "grey", Blue Mages have nothing reminiscent of their color (unless somehow blue was the general/iconic color of monsters), and Black and White end up similarly just based around nukish casts with (now) zero attached effects. It's a bit disappointing, to say the least.

    In other IPs, you'd tend to see a more integral theme to how each of those magics (or "colors" of magic) work that'd actually play into their actions. Perhaps Red magic would be more about leveraging instability from critical mixtures of opposed elements to generate a greater-than-their-sum release of magic. Maybe Blue magic would be about the "flow" between, say, one's mana and one's eikos (the sort of persistant archetype or idea of a creature, especially one with inherent mana, that has seeped into and is then partly maintained by a worldsoul -- sometimes collecting into an avatar of its/those aspects, an eikon). Such would give a bit more situation for RDM's 'mana balance' or BLU's spell-stealing and monster interactions, etc., especially if we led with those ideas to how the magic works and built upon them. Instead, what we're left with just seems like arbitrary and empty prefixes, gimmicks, etc., to give guise to old actions as new. That's perhaps a bit hyperbolic in regard to the nuts and bolts of those jobs, but I can't help feeling that way about them on the whole. And it only gets worse if I compare such against other works with differentiated colors of magic, such as Magic: The Gathering, Brent Weeks's Lightbringer series, etc.
    To be fair, Red Mage has pretty much always been "grey" mage with a sword. FFXIV, near as I know, is the most unique application of the class since its inception, though I don't know much to be honest. Your GRM ideas are pretty clever, though a bit difficult to pull off for console players.

    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Hmm... toss out the rocks from space as a basic DPS spell and change it's weapon from scales into a shillelagh. Then make it's "spells" instant case magic infused melee attacks. At least those are my first thoughts on this suggestion.
    In all honesty, I feel like "Comet" should be the name of AST's primary DPS spell and give "Malefic" to GRM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsbane706 View Post
    To be fair, Red Mage has pretty much always been "grey" mage with a sword. FFXIV, near as I know, is the most unique application of the class since its inception, though I don't know much to be honest. Your GRM ideas are pretty clever, though a bit difficult to pull off for console players.
    Tbf, I feel like if we keep ground-targeting effects at all, they need a rework. For GRM, I'd want basic control of the roots to be a channel, during which your movement stick instead snaps to the furthest roots in that contiguous direction and allows you from that point to essentially pilot and extend their growth. During that time, certain actions would convert over to root-affecting ones, such as spending resource for a further burst of growth, to arm them with traps, or to immediately spring for an enemy in front of you (preferring your hard target but otherwise going for whoever's/whatever's in front of your facing while controlling said roots). Such would be mutually exclusive with your typical spells during the channel, anyways.
    The first cast, with nothing around you, would basically just send out roots from beneath your feet, allowing you to go any which way at your current movement speed. But, if there are roots already in place, your control snaps slightly to their position, strengthening them per tick (this HP draining over time and with actions used by that space of roots) as you pass over them and moving far faster down their length until reaching a new, not yet grown-over space.
    In all honesty, I feel like "Comet" should be the name of AST's primary DPS spell and give "Malefic" to GRM.
    I feel like the Benefic/Malefic pairing works pretty well for AST, in that sense of weal and woe as set by the stars. But, a similar "curse"-like attack could fit GRM as well.

    That said, I really would prefer to have a job that, for once, does not have a spammed filler.

    Give GRM an offensive debuff or DoT with interesting Additional Effect interactions, and otherwise works towards offense through compounded weaves, and I'd be happier for the complexity so long as it's well polished, even if it takes more effort (proportionate, perhaps, to its added opportunities) to utilize.
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    Gunner - very agile ranged dual hand gun type class not too much unlike that of Bayonetta but more centered around the guns than magic. Of course with a ff fit to it.
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    More Maiming and Scouting ideas?

    We all know Reaper is a thing now and the first alternate Maiming class ever so any ideas for other ones or maybe an alternate Scouting role? Scouting roles use melee that depends on aiming stats so what else fits that demographic? Personally I'd like FFXIV to revisit the Musketeer job class used by Admiral Bloefhiswyn with dual pistols though that might fit Aiming more than Scouting.
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    I think the next two jobs will be a magic DPS and a melee that shares gear with Ninja.
    For the mage, I still hope for Time Mage with a big focus on DoTs, while SMN focus would be on the pets.
    For the melee, I think they will make up a new job name while still taking inspiration from an existing FF character (like they did with Gunbreaker and Reaper). My bet would be on Seven and her whip-blade from Type-0.
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    I for one would welcome a Sniper job in the game. Whether they use shortbows, crossbows or rifles, it doesn't matter to me. I just liked playing Deadeye from GW2, so the idea of having a "crouch stance" in the game would sound fun to play around.
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    It'd be horribly impractical but I would love to have a Magitek Pilot job, based on the G-Warrior stuff from the Sorrow of Werlyt questline. I can't believe they came up with an in-universe way to put a Gundam into Final Fantasy and only created it for a side quest, never to be seen again.

    Seems like a ton of effort to put into just an elaborate inside joke/homage. They know how cool it would be, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric_Thorne View Post
    It'd be horribly impractical but I would love to have a Magitek Pilot job, based on the G-Warrior stuff from the Sorrow of Werlyt questline. I can't believe they came up with an in-universe way to put a Gundam into Final Fantasy and only created it for a side quest, never to be seen again.

    Seems like a ton of effort to put into just an elaborate inside joke/homage. They know how cool it would be, right?
    I think it would be relatively easy, in the sense of 'pain to develop', to make it a limited job.

    It works well with the whole limited concept and could even come with some xenosaga like bonus opportunities for either a Eureka content (limited job combined into a new eureka even), but just in general. Like you're on the open world, as you might in xenogears / saga, and call down your mech allowing you some respite (I assume like blue mage if limited you'd not be doing too much with it in end game like content, so it's not like you'd ruin the balance of the expansion unless it was intended usage). Mounted speed + can fight at the same time, would be pretty cool imo if you had some like Armor Core, Gundam, Zone of Enders like strafing and yet ability to attack.

    I like the idea for limited because progression could be fairly reasonable mix of pilot level, dungeons and parts such that if SE wanted to encourage group play initially but logically assume the content will quiet down (just like blue did) then they have other 'parts' available at a time delay (and or different type of acquisition) which allows for a smooth progression of your character. Like maybe Gummi from Kingdom Hearts for some type of progression (attained from doing some content), but also it would be fairly reasonable to assume some crafted parts too (which can include NPCs, from bring me x, to earning reputation ranks, etc, and of course players).

    They might be able to think of a way to have a magitek pilot as a normal job, but I agree with you that it would be a bit more difficult. Not impossible though.. I think... Just... Difficult lol.

    The imagery of a magitek that is inverse cliché fueled by the player is kind of neat. Like normally you imagine tubes going into the pilot that might inject them with drugs and enhancement serums to better perform. Rather instead here the player is dumping their aether into the machine bleeding into the machine (might think adding a heart concept to the machine, and perhaps a minor sense of sentience, depending on how crazy they want to go there might be different hearts - like our magitek in the MSQ level 50 quest had a mammet heart).

    One perhaps more balanced idea would be a highly technological focused engineer job that has the ability to enter a few different mechs. Rather than the classic 'transforming' job, which is beasts and or demon like stuff.. it would be a technological transformation (like) job. A more 'mech' like iron man like job (since these magitek would be larger than just a skin/costume).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 08-29-2021 at 02:04 PM.

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