Savage is too easy

[snipski]

this Savage tier was a joke, there are always a million party finders up early on the weekend with 1-4 clear grps.

i guess it's nice for ppl without statics being able to PF the fights so easy but savage should be a bit harder imo.

[Thoosa]

Isn’t the first tier of savage in a set usually the easiest and they get harder in later tiers? When this tier came out it was a mess due to item level and people being new, but now it is easy because of item level and people knowing the fights.

How hard to people want them? Make them too hard and raiding will die, wasn’t that the gordias problem? IMO this tier is easier than o9s-o12s but I’m sure when the last tier is out there will be loads of threads complaining it’s too hard. :P

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Isn’t the first tier of savage in a set usually the easiest and they get harder in later tiers?

Yes. Usually the Hardcore-Raider clear all the first and second tiers on the first day. Delta- and Sigmascape didn't took them longer to clear then Eden (~15-18 hours until the first clears), so there's that. Only Alphascape took way longer then 24 hours for them since the last Set of Alex.

I also find it funny that now it's "too easy" while a few weeks ago this board was full of whining of too-tight-dmg-checks in E2S and that Eden would be 'impossible to clear on PF'. But then again, it was the same for me and my static. I still remember how we desperately struggled the first weeks on E2S and now it's just a breeze. Getting better gear and routine will usually do this for you.

[Risvertasashi]

I also find it funny that now it's "too easy" while a few weeks ago this board was full of whining of too-tight-dmg-checks in E2S and that Eden would be 'impossible to clear on PF'. But then again, it was the same for me and my static. I still remember how we desperately struggled the first weeks on E2S and now it's just a breeze. Getting better gear and routine will usually do this for you.

This has been happening since the Coils of Bahamut.

People complain it's too hard when progging, then gg so ez how could anyone possibly not clear it a few weeks/months later.

[QooEr]

This has been happening since the Coils of Bahamut.

People complain it's too hard when progging, then gg so ez how could anyone possibly not clear it a few weeks/months later.

maybe item levels shouldnt increase that much between normal and savage then

[MitsukiKimura]

Isn’t the first tier of savage in a set usually the easiest and they get harder in later tiers? When this tier came out it was a mess due to item level and people being new, but now it is easy because of item level and people knowing the fights.

How hard to people want them? Make them too hard and raiding will die, wasn’t that the gordias problem? IMO this tier is easier than o9s-o12s but I’m sure when the last tier is out there will be loads of threads complaining it’s too hard. :P

This^ You can't expect them to make the first tier of savage hard with the new expansion bringing in newer players. You'll just scare them away. Once they get comfortable with it, I'm sure the higher tiers will be much difficult than these. Have patience or if you want a challenge, bring a bad weapon into raid and see how you do.

[ForteNightshade]

Isn’t the first tier of savage in a set usually the easiest and they get harder in later tiers? When this tier came out it was a mess due to item level and people being new, but now it is easy because of item level and people knowing the fights.

How hard to people want them? Make them too hard and raiding will die, wasn’t that the gordias problem? IMO this tier is easier than o9s-o12s but I’m sure when the last tier is out there will be loads of threads complaining it’s too hard. :P

This tier was never a mess. Outside Titan, the bosses do very little damage to tanks. People were cheesing Leviathan within the fight couple weeks, and he's the third fight. I'll say Eden Prime is far better than the complete joke that was Alte Roite but that's not saying much.

Gordias' problem was they gearlocked it. No matter how skilled a player you were, clearing Manipulator prior to week five was impossible. Upping the difficulty slightly from what it is now wouldn't put Savage anywhere near Gordias.

[WinterGALXz]

i try some savage mode but the hardest one was lvl 80,and keep mess up

[Hysterior]

I remember the Twintania times where not shielding your tank on a TB meant that he would die.
First-time raiding as SCH was pretty scary back then.
I don't feel like TB are very threatening anymore.

I remember us as healers using poison potions and things like that but not DPS as much as we do now.

I do agree with your point on stun/silences. I remember tanks and DPS having to align on who uses silence/stun first to survive some mechanics.
As healers we had more to esuna/cleanse as well. I feel like we heal through dots nowadays.

And while not a raid, I feel like Titan at the time (ilv 80 or 90 I think) was also waaaaaaaay scarier than most raid fights nowadays.

[Dadbod]

Savage and ultimate are both already done by a pretty small % of the playerbase. I don’t see pushing savage even further away from the bulk of players as a good business choice imo.

If anything they need to add some meaningful 4 man content that is in between dungeon and savage difficulty to target the vast majority of people who run out of stuff to do.

The amount of people who stop subbing because savage is too easy is probably 10% the number of people who stop subbing because they don’t want to commit to savage learning hours and there isn’t anything in between on the lower end of too easy and savage.