Paladin Updates

[Aceofspades]

had a hate hold compition with a LS WAR who also thinks WAR is a better tank. We got to the princess, Initially I got hate and kept it, all my abilites were on cool down after she built enough tp and stole hate. after about 4 minutes i finally (slowly) got it back , but i did get it back and at that point she was un able to take hate back. Also side note , in the 4 minutes she had hate, WHMs (2 of em) ran out of mp with a bard using mp songs to counter. The biggest advantage i had in that fight was my gear (and obvious knowledge of the job). with gear I have 757 def, 3600 somthin hp and 300 somthin vit. she had on full AF WAR.
I would agrue , from what I saw, WAR dose in fact need a 1k boost over PLD , they are that squeshy. Now what would happen with WAR in my gear? not sure, I have equiped my WAR in my Cobalt gear, HP is only 300 higher then that of PLD, and i only equiped hate on my belt, only has +8 cuz my belt is HQ and didnt wana risk blowing it up. Will give WAR props on hate control over damage dealing. But the strain on the WHMs are certainly noticeable. Also I noticed all the buffs that war did prior to a tp move, tbh , that seems a bit harder to orgistrate over doing PLD moves.
And to clear up some trollers mis informing, I am NOT one sided on this issue, I do think war is a valuable tank, in its proper enviorment. I however do not belive WAR is the best tank and PLD is useless. Best I can fiugre out is people are trolling or they are trying to convice other and possable SE that PLD is still broke in order to possably OP PLD. Best advice I could give SE is , Rather then having 3 or 4 hate moves just combine the amount of hate of all moves into one. Makes action managment alot easier but other then that I think PLD is perfectly fine and competes very well with war on all fronts of tanking.
I did notice somone mention "Its not the question if PLD can replace WAR but can PLD replace a WHM to allow space in the PT for more DD?" Answer is, in some fights, yes. With a good healer and PLD who knows the class, you can have one healer in the DH oger fight, Ifrit, Princess fight, pretty much ALL the HNM fights and any normal party grind. A well equiped and decently knowledged PLD can solo tank 10-15 lvl 50-57 mobs with pretty much no heals aside from blowover from AOE heals or Regen.

sorry for the long message.

[Alerith]

had a hate hold compition with a LS WAR who also thinks WAR is a better tank. We got to the princess, Initially I got hate and kept it, all my abilites were on cool down after she built enough tp and stole hate. after about 4 minutes i finally (slowly) got it back , but i did get it back and at that point she was un able to take hate back. Also side note , in the 4 minutes she had hate, WHMs (2 of em) ran out of mp with a bard using mp songs to counter. The biggest advantage i had in that fight was my gear (and obvious knowledge of the job). with gear I have 757 def, 3600 somthin hp and 300 somthin vit. she had on full AF WAR.

To which I reply:

Would just like to add, soo this thread dosent go the way of others, if your gona post "facts" about this subject, could you provide sufficient evidance to support your theory? just claims alone are not only mis leading but often spark useless debate the essentualy serves no purpose other then to make people feel smarter then they realy are. Fraps, parse, or even discription of the abilties you talk about would be great to help keep this discusion literal and not " well WAR just FEELS like a better tank" or "I can tank the world solo on my PLD". not my thread just asking that people post responsably not just whaty THEY experianced and have no way to back it.

I would agrue , from what I saw, WAR dose in fact need a 1k boost over PLD , they are that squeshy.

They take nearly the same amount of damage. The difference isn't large enough to be noteworthy at the moment, because WAR HP kinda nullifies the difference.

Now what would happen with WAR in my gear? not sure, I have equiped my WAR in my Cobalt gear, HP is only 300 higher then that of PLD, and i only equiped hate on my belt, only has +8 cuz my belt is HQ and didnt wana risk blowing it up.

May I see a screenshot of your PLD's HP with your cobalt equipped, then a screen of your WAR with the same cobalt equipped?

Will give WAR props on hate control over damage dealing. But the strain on the WHMs are certainly noticeable. Also I noticed all the buffs that war did prior to a tp move, tbh , that seems a bit harder to orgistrate over doing PLD moves.

You can't be serious... PLD has much more to it when it comes to skill orchestration and I highly doubt even the WARs are going to argue with that.

And to clear up some trollers mis informing, I am NOT one sided on this issue, I do think war is a valuable tank, in its proper enviorment. I however do not belive WAR is the best tank and PLD is useless. Best I can fiugre out is people are trolling or they are trying to convice other and possable SE that PLD is still broke in order to possably OP PLD. Best advice I could give SE is , Rather then having 3 or 4 hate moves just combine the amount of hate of all moves into one. Makes action managment alot easier but other then that I think PLD is perfectly fine and competes very well with war on all fronts of tanking.

Nobody here is trying to OP PLD. There is currently a legitimate problem with PLD being able to perform on an ideal level. First of all, defense is near useless. At the moment, greater HP is better than higher DEF. Secondly, PLD has almost no difference in MDEF compared to WAR. PLD brings less damage to the table, and can't AoE damage.

PLD does NOT compete with WAR on all fronts of tanking. I feel a lot of WAR's strengths are lost on single targets, but it still has the greater HP to survive attacks that DEF does not help PLD with. Which is almost all attacks. Is PLD capable of tanking multiple targets? Of course it is. But that does NOT mean that WAR isn't currently better for that job.

Also, you want all hate from all abilities condensed into one ability? Are you stupid?

I did notice somone mention "Its not the question if PLD can replace WAR but can PLD replace a WHM to allow space in the PT for more DD?" Answer is, in some fights, yes. With a good healer and PLD who knows the class, you can have one healer in the DH oger fight, Ifrit, Princess fight, pretty much ALL the HNM fights and any normal party grind. A well equiped and decently knowledged PLD can solo tank 10-15 lvl 50-57 mobs with pretty much no heals aside from blowover from AOE heals or Regen.

sorry for the long message.

50-57 is a huge gap, and the difficulty difference in that gap is fairly large. I can solo level 59 Diremites with relative ease. I may be able to take two of them. Three? Unlikely.

A two level difference from your max, but I would love to see some video proof of you solo tanking 10-15 level 57 mobs.