Paladin Updates

[Aceofspades]

" PS: Where do you get your numbers of WAR getting so much more dmg then a PLD? He doesn't...plus if you're using the same tank equip on PLD AND WAR (Ifrit Gear????), the only option would be Sentinels, or Cobalts Equip, which will make the WAR HP Pool still an easy 800HP+ more then PLDs "

Negative big guy, I like Ifrit as a test because if you dont adress the magic attack and physical attack portions of the fight your gona take heavy damage from either if not both ends, seeing how PLD is op on the Physical damage defelction I op my gear twards fire resist the result is 22k ish damage in a 9 min fight. Now maybe thats not good enough for you but no matter how you stack the gear , stats or skill of player , fact is PLD still holds enough hate to do as well as WAR and further more brings damage deflection , party support and and self heals/buffs to the fight where as WAR only brings hate control higher HP and moderate dd... its a simple decision between pros and cons, frankly pld has more pros then WAR in my book, but that may be just the way I play PLD .

[TirionCrey]

" PS: Where do you get your numbers of WAR getting so much more dmg then a PLD? He doesn't...plus if you're using the same tank equip on PLD AND WAR (Ifrit Gear????), the only option would be Sentinels, or Cobalts Equip, which will make the WAR HP Pool still an easy 800HP+ more then PLDs "

Negative big guy, I like Ifrit as a test because if you dont adress the magic attack and physical attack portions of the fight your gona take heavy damage from either if not both ends, seeing how PLD is op on the Physical damage defelction I op my gear twards fire resist the result is 22k ish damage in a 9 min fight. Now maybe thats not good enough for you but no matter how you stack the gear , stats or skill of player , fact is PLD still holds enough hate to do as well as WAR and further more brings damage deflection , party support and and self heals/buffs to the fight where as WAR only brings hate control higher HP and moderate dd... its a simple decision between pros and cons, frankly pld has more pros then WAR in my book, but that may be just the way I play PLD .

My point is that you can't compare you holding hate against mediocre DDs as "test" of how enmity on PLD is just fine, when he would lose hate on DDs that actually DD way more/better then your DDs.

You don't compare classes at mediocre performance, you compare classes at "best possible" performance. Which in fact shows a PLD with "best possible" skill, won't hold hate against a "best possible" DD(aka MNKs, since they are the best DDs right now), while a WAR can (and it's even close for him)

You are concluding from yourself to others and I'm sorry, no matter how stuck up this might sound, your group seems to be medicore(based on the numbers you posted).

We are arguing about how PLD hate generation sucks compared to WAR based on the view of "everyone performing at max lvl", while for you the only thing that counts is that you hold hate...which is only possible cause your DDs are not playing at max lvl.

[Arcell]

" PS: Where do you get your numbers of WAR getting so much more dmg then a PLD? He doesn't...plus if you're using the same tank equip on PLD AND WAR (Ifrit Gear????), the only option would be Sentinels, or Cobalts Equip, which will make the WAR HP Pool still an easy 800HP+ more then PLDs "

Negative big guy, I like Ifrit as a test because if you dont adress the magic attack and physical attack portions of the fight your gona take heavy damage from either if not both ends, seeing how PLD is op on the Physical damage defelction I op my gear twards fire resist the result is 22k ish damage in a 9 min fight. Now maybe thats not good enough for you but no matter how you stack the gear , stats or skill of player , fact is PLD still holds enough hate to do as well as WAR and further more brings damage deflection , party support and and self heals/buffs to the fight where as WAR only brings hate control higher HP and moderate dd... its a simple decision between pros and cons, frankly pld has more pros then WAR in my book, but that may be just the way I play PLD .

Theoretically, PLD offers more damage deflection. In reality, a Warrior takes less damage from a parry (0 on full parry) than Paladin does on a block.

What needs to be adjusted are defense/m.evasion values and the shield needs to actually matter. Block mitigation is nearly non-existent against bosses outside of Aegis Boon, that shouldn't happen. The way defense and m.evasion are calculated in has some kind of inherent flaw that makes them pretty much worthless against enemies past a certain level above you (most bosses). This means that HP is pretty much king on that front and guess who has more HP? WAR. During that Buffalo test we did last night Onrush took the PLD into red and the WAR into yellow health. He hardly noticed the damage to be honest lol.

A good test of enmity holding ability is to go against someone who is intentionally trying to take hate, like a WAR or BLM. The fight also has to last a decent amount of time, which is why we chose Buffalo.