Paladin Updates

[TirionCrey]

If you can't do your job on Pld then you fail compared to youtube vid posters.... this should make you sad if you're so awesome. lol Lots of people run one whm for these situations, Mistress is almost all 1 whm, 1 war, 6 mnk burn now... Ant takes a couple good blm/thms not an extra whm, i do concede that chimera can be pretty tricky just because of the various mechanics in his(or her, idk chimera gender!) fight leading to more errors that can occur.

Please argue reasonable...yeah 1 WHM does work with a WAr and Meele Burns(cause Miser will be down before the first add phase).

This is not working with a PLD tank, cause he won't hold hate over WAR...what are you even arguing about, you talk about how PLD does the job just as well as WAR with 1 WHM and you can take another DD over the 2nd WHM which will make up for the DMG loss of a WAR tank, then in your next post you clearly disagree on your own argument with your Meele burn setup, which doesn't work with a PLD, cause he can't hold hate...

Get your facts straight before even trying to get on my back. Your 1 WHM setups only work with a WAR tank, which I clearly stated doesn't work with a PLD, while you argue it would, but then contradict yourself 5min later.

Try to argue logical and reasonable, before jumping back and forth between "this works, that works" when only one version of it does work, either PLD + 2 WHM, or WAR + 1 WHM.

If you got no clue what you're talking about, just stop talking. PLD hate is crap compared to WAR, so Meele/Mage Burn PTs do not work with a PLD tank, simple as that and all your arguments are contradicting themselves over and over.

[Aceofspades]

Please argue reasonable...yeah 1 WHM does work with a WAr and Meele Burns(cause Miser will be down before the first add phase).

This is not working with a PLD tank, cause he won't hold hate over WAR...what are you even arguing about, you talk about how PLD does the job just as well as WAR with 1 WHM and you can take another DD over the 2nd WHM which will make up for the DMG loss of a WAR tank, then in your next post you clearly disagree on your own argument with your Meele burn setup, which doesn't work with a PLD, cause he can't hold hate...

Get your facts straight before even trying to get on my back. Your 1 WHM setups only work with a WAR tank, which I clearly stated doesn't work with a PLD, while you argue it would, but then contradict yourself 5min later.

Try to argue logical and reasonable, before jumping back and forth between "this works, that works" when only one version of it does work, either PLD + 2 WHM, or WAR + 1 WHM.

If you got no clue what you're talking about, just stop talking. PLD hate is crap compared to WAR, so Meele/Mage Burn PTs do not work with a PLD tank, simple as that and all your arguments are contradicting themselves over and over.

lol , what?!, I can soo take Ifrit with a single WHM in party and keep hate easly, much less duel whm? as far as the other bosses... what other bosses? to my knowledge Ifrit is still the hardest one.

[TirionCrey]

lol , what?!, I can soo take Ifrit with a single WHM in party and keep hate easly, much less duel whm? as far as the other bosses... what other bosses? to my knowledge Ifrit is still the hardest one.

To quote another person. Who the fuck cares about Ifrit? He is not even nearly the hardest fight in the game, hell even Batraal is harder...of course PLD can tank Ifrit...

And to throw you a bone hre Peptaru. Of course PLD can tank Chimera, Coincounter, Princess and Miser as well...but WAR does it better. That's the whole point.

[Peptaru]

Please argue reasonable...yeah 1 WHM does work with a WAr and Meele Burns(cause Miser will be down before the first add phase).

This is not working with a PLD tank, cause he won't hold hate over WAR...what are you even arguing about, you talk about how PLD does the job just as well as WAR with 1 WHM and you can take another DD over the 2nd WHM which will make up for the DMG loss of a WAR tank, then in your next post you clearly disagree on your own argument with your Meele burn setup, which doesn't work with a PLD, cause he can't hold hate...

Get your facts straight before even trying to get on my back. Your 1 WHM setups only work with a WAR tank, which I clearly stated doesn't work with a PLD, while you argue it would, but then contradict yourself 5min later.

Try to argue logical and reasonable, before jumping back and forth between "this works, that works" when only one version of it does work, either PLD + 2 WHM, or WAR + 1 WHM.

If you got no clue what you're talking about, just stop talking. PLD hate is crap compared to WAR, so Meele/Mage Burn PTs do not work with a PLD tank, simple as that and all your arguments are contradicting themselves over and over.

You should take your own advice and quit being stupid and/or butthurt that you can't tank on Pld. I pointed out the Mistress burn because that's the common set up that everyone uses and will recognize, you can do the same with a Pld, most likely more easily as the warrior doesn't add much dmg to the fight, its all about the mnks. Mnks in melee range = huge rampart hate = fight over with still just one mage. Also, read some, I'm not the only one who thinks you're spoutin some bullcrap about Pld being unable to tank.

To sum up, again, i'm sorry you fail at your favorite job that you'd play if you weren't terrible at it.

[TirionCrey]

You should take your own advice and quit being stupid and/or butthurt that you can't tank on Pld. I pointed out the Mistress burn because that's the common set up that everyone uses and will recognize, you can do the same with a Pld, most likely more easily as the warrior doesn't add much dmg to the fight, its all about the mnks. Mnks in melee range = huge rampart hate = fight over with still just one mage. Also, read some, I'm not the only one who thinks you're spoutin some bullcrap about Pld being unable to tank.

To sum up, again, i'm sorry you fail at your favorite job that you'd play if you weren't terrible at it.

God, please please please just stop...you got no clue and are unable to argue reasonably. I'm saying WAR is better then PLD in every way...which is the big flaw here...WAR has better hate generation, WAR deals more dmg, has higher HP Pool(while taking the same dmg)...this all makes PLD the inferior tank...I can tank ANYTHING in this game just fine on PLD, but I can tank it better on WAR, which has nothing to do with my skill as PLD, but the advantages WAR gives...

Plus I don't like to argue with people I got no clue about their actual performance and skill, so I checked your PRO profile...you just recently finished your GLA and MRD...so what are you even talking about...you got no clue...you defeated 90% of the NMs in the game in the past 4 weeks...I've been there and tanked them from the start, so what are you trying to argue about here? I don't think you ever tanked anything at all...what do you even do in this thread, you have nothing to say on the matter...not to mention your LS doesn't even have Chimera down, only Miser...and that as well just recently...what's your point?

I just came back 4 weeks ago after a 6 month break and already accomplished more in those 4 weeks then you...so what does that say about your and my skill in comparison?

If you want to make this a personal battle, just go on with it, I don't care...

[Peptaru]

Attack peptaru while he sleeps.

I'm awake now, and I was going to let this die, but since you looked at my pro, tell me.... what other characters do I play? have I played? what have a i fought? how tall am i? You, like other fools who think pro is end all of information, know nothing about me.

Second, i'm glad you said Pld can do it, earlier you said it couldn't. I said long ago that warrior is easier, I already agreed to that, and suggested to those who love pld and would play it if they could, that they IN FACT CAN do everyting on Pld, they just like easy/lazy mode.

Sorry for the bump, I'll let this die regardless of response or no response.

[TirionCrey]

I'm awake now, and I was going to let this die, but since you looked at my pro, tell me.... what other characters do I play? have I played? what have a i fought? how tall am i? You, like other fools who think pro is end all of information, know nothing about me.

Second, i'm glad you said Pld can do it, earlier you said it couldn't. I said long ago that warrior is easier, I already agreed to that, and suggested to those who love pld and would play it if they could, that they IN FACT CAN do everyting on Pld, they just like easy/lazy mode.

Sorry for the bump, I'll let this die regardless of response or no response.

Sorry that I dared to post while you were sleeping...won't happen again (unless you are sleeping atm...)

Then...I looked at your PRO, cause Lodestone was down...actually your achievements on PRO weren't updated for over 3 weeks, so I looked at your LS mates (which I assume your characters, no matter how many of them you might have...poor excuse btw...are in the LS as well, unless you are hiding your characters from your "friends") and barely a group of them has Miser down. So what can you actually provide to this conversation that is not pure assumptions on your end, given you haven't even done most of the content hence barely tanked any of the content, if at all...just keep your assumptions to yourself, cause you have nothing to say on the matter.

@Alerith: Yeah, if it's about class balance and overall performance, endgame is the only thing that matters, cause that's where advantages/disadvantages of a class matter.

@Lux_Rayna: We do Miser with 1 BLM, 1 BRD and 3 MNKs...PLD can't do shit with this setup, cause MNKs rip off hate from him after the first 15seconds of fighting while WAR can maintain hate...and stop using AoE Rampart as if it's the holy grail...it's a crap ability that generates crap enmity, no matter how many people you hit with it. I'm only using it cause I try to fool myself that it actually does something. You are talking about if people actually tested setups with PLD...fact is you haven't tested anything yet, but still try to act as if you know what works when in fact you don't.
The actual people here talking about PLD and WAR who have a clue, know what they are talking about BECAUSE they tested it, while everyone else who has no clue is just spreading assumptions and "He said, she said" BS.

Just stop argueing if you got no clue what you are talking about, cause it might confuse the Devs into thinking PLD is right as it is...

@Aceofspades: After reading all your posts I don't even know what to tell you. I'll try to keep it short, although it's wasted time nonetheless, cause you just got no clue of anything apparently.

The hardest fight is on farm mode for most LSs? Although I know you are refering to Ifrit, I'll try to tell you one more time. Ifrit is the easiest fight right now, even Batraal is harder then him...you haven't done anything in the game so far besides Ifrit, so obviously you don't know anything about tanking the current endgame content...
PLD has no encounter to shine atm, cause they are all easy mode? Well...PLD has no encounter to shine atm, cause PLD can't shine no matter what encounter they might implement.

Oh and btw...if you need more than 2 DDs to counter Ifrits Regen, I feel sorry for your DDs on Ifrit...we could put all DDs on standby after Nails except one and he would get Ifrit down by himself...