Paladin Updates

[Peptaru]

I would prefer playing PLD over WAR, but PLD doesn't get the job done...WAR does...so I'm going with WAR, as long as I can fulfill my role as a Tank that's all that matters to me. But obviously I would prefer tanking on my prefered tanking class...

As long as I can fulfill my role as a Tank that's all that matters to me. . . . lies. You can fulfill that role on Pld, you choose warrior cuz its easier. If you prefer tanking on Pld, then do it. Even silly vids online have Plds tanking new content with no problems.

[TirionCrey]

As long as I can fulfill my role as a Tank that's all that matters to me. . . . lies. You can fulfill that role on Pld, you choose warrior cuz its easier. If you prefer tanking on Pld, then do it. Even silly vids online have Plds tanking new content with no problems.

Given the DMG my group does, NO I CAN'T do my job on PLD, cause he won't keep hate over them, while WAR does...this is not a question of easier, this is a question of who's better tanking job and WAR is.

If you think WAR tanking is the an excuse for wanting to make things easier, why not play all your roles naked without any abilities used? This is just a stupid argument...

He does all the things that PLD does, just better...if you want to gimp yourself, that's your choice, but I want to perform as best as I can on my role, which is tanking, which WAR does and PLD doesn't...simple as that.

[Peptaru]

Given the DMG my group does, NO I CAN'T do my job on PLD, cause he won't keep hate over them, while WAR does...this is not a question of easier, this is a question of who's better tanking job and WAR is.

If you think WAR tanking is the an excuse for wanting to make things easier, why not play all your roles naked without any abilities used? This is just a stupid argument...

He does all the things that PLD does, just better...if you want to gimp yourself, that's your choice, but I want to perform as best as I can on my role, which is tanking, which WAR does and PLD doesn't...simple as that.

If you can't do your job on Pld then you fail compared to youtube vid posters.... this should make you sad if you're so awesome. lol Lots of people run one whm for these situations, Mistress is almost all 1 whm, 1 war, 6 mnk burn now... Ant takes a couple good blm/thms not an extra whm, i do concede that chimera can be pretty tricky just because of the various mechanics in his(or her, idk chimera gender!) fight leading to more errors that can occur.

[TirionCrey]

If you can't do your job on Pld then you fail compared to youtube vid posters.... this should make you sad if you're so awesome. lol Lots of people run one whm for these situations, Mistress is almost all 1 whm, 1 war, 6 mnk burn now... Ant takes a couple good blm/thms not an extra whm, i do concede that chimera can be pretty tricky just because of the various mechanics in his(or her, idk chimera gender!) fight leading to more errors that can occur.

Please argue reasonable...yeah 1 WHM does work with a WAr and Meele Burns(cause Miser will be down before the first add phase).

This is not working with a PLD tank, cause he won't hold hate over WAR...what are you even arguing about, you talk about how PLD does the job just as well as WAR with 1 WHM and you can take another DD over the 2nd WHM which will make up for the DMG loss of a WAR tank, then in your next post you clearly disagree on your own argument with your Meele burn setup, which doesn't work with a PLD, cause he can't hold hate...

Get your facts straight before even trying to get on my back. Your 1 WHM setups only work with a WAR tank, which I clearly stated doesn't work with a PLD, while you argue it would, but then contradict yourself 5min later.

Try to argue logical and reasonable, before jumping back and forth between "this works, that works" when only one version of it does work, either PLD + 2 WHM, or WAR + 1 WHM.

If you got no clue what you're talking about, just stop talking. PLD hate is crap compared to WAR, so Meele/Mage Burn PTs do not work with a PLD tank, simple as that and all your arguments are contradicting themselves over and over.

[Aceofspades]

Please argue reasonable...yeah 1 WHM does work with a WAr and Meele Burns(cause Miser will be down before the first add phase).

This is not working with a PLD tank, cause he won't hold hate over WAR...what are you even arguing about, you talk about how PLD does the job just as well as WAR with 1 WHM and you can take another DD over the 2nd WHM which will make up for the DMG loss of a WAR tank, then in your next post you clearly disagree on your own argument with your Meele burn setup, which doesn't work with a PLD, cause he can't hold hate...

Get your facts straight before even trying to get on my back. Your 1 WHM setups only work with a WAR tank, which I clearly stated doesn't work with a PLD, while you argue it would, but then contradict yourself 5min later.

Try to argue logical and reasonable, before jumping back and forth between "this works, that works" when only one version of it does work, either PLD + 2 WHM, or WAR + 1 WHM.

If you got no clue what you're talking about, just stop talking. PLD hate is crap compared to WAR, so Meele/Mage Burn PTs do not work with a PLD tank, simple as that and all your arguments are contradicting themselves over and over.

lol , what?!, I can soo take Ifrit with a single WHM in party and keep hate easly, much less duel whm? as far as the other bosses... what other bosses? to my knowledge Ifrit is still the hardest one.

[TirionCrey]

lol , what?!, I can soo take Ifrit with a single WHM in party and keep hate easly, much less duel whm? as far as the other bosses... what other bosses? to my knowledge Ifrit is still the hardest one.

To quote another person. Who the fuck cares about Ifrit? He is not even nearly the hardest fight in the game, hell even Batraal is harder...of course PLD can tank Ifrit...

And to throw you a bone hre Peptaru. Of course PLD can tank Chimera, Coincounter, Princess and Miser as well...but WAR does it better. That's the whole point.

[Peptaru]

Please argue reasonable...yeah 1 WHM does work with a WAr and Meele Burns(cause Miser will be down before the first add phase).

This is not working with a PLD tank, cause he won't hold hate over WAR...what are you even arguing about, you talk about how PLD does the job just as well as WAR with 1 WHM and you can take another DD over the 2nd WHM which will make up for the DMG loss of a WAR tank, then in your next post you clearly disagree on your own argument with your Meele burn setup, which doesn't work with a PLD, cause he can't hold hate...

Get your facts straight before even trying to get on my back. Your 1 WHM setups only work with a WAR tank, which I clearly stated doesn't work with a PLD, while you argue it would, but then contradict yourself 5min later.

Try to argue logical and reasonable, before jumping back and forth between "this works, that works" when only one version of it does work, either PLD + 2 WHM, or WAR + 1 WHM.

If you got no clue what you're talking about, just stop talking. PLD hate is crap compared to WAR, so Meele/Mage Burn PTs do not work with a PLD tank, simple as that and all your arguments are contradicting themselves over and over.

You should take your own advice and quit being stupid and/or butthurt that you can't tank on Pld. I pointed out the Mistress burn because that's the common set up that everyone uses and will recognize, you can do the same with a Pld, most likely more easily as the warrior doesn't add much dmg to the fight, its all about the mnks. Mnks in melee range = huge rampart hate = fight over with still just one mage. Also, read some, I'm not the only one who thinks you're spoutin some bullcrap about Pld being unable to tank.

To sum up, again, i'm sorry you fail at your favorite job that you'd play if you weren't terrible at it.

[TirionCrey]

You should take your own advice and quit being stupid and/or butthurt that you can't tank on Pld. I pointed out the Mistress burn because that's the common set up that everyone uses and will recognize, you can do the same with a Pld, most likely more easily as the warrior doesn't add much dmg to the fight, its all about the mnks. Mnks in melee range = huge rampart hate = fight over with still just one mage. Also, read some, I'm not the only one who thinks you're spoutin some bullcrap about Pld being unable to tank.

To sum up, again, i'm sorry you fail at your favorite job that you'd play if you weren't terrible at it.

God, please please please just stop...you got no clue and are unable to argue reasonably. I'm saying WAR is better then PLD in every way...which is the big flaw here...WAR has better hate generation, WAR deals more dmg, has higher HP Pool(while taking the same dmg)...this all makes PLD the inferior tank...I can tank ANYTHING in this game just fine on PLD, but I can tank it better on WAR, which has nothing to do with my skill as PLD, but the advantages WAR gives...

Plus I don't like to argue with people I got no clue about their actual performance and skill, so I checked your PRO profile...you just recently finished your GLA and MRD...so what are you even talking about...you got no clue...you defeated 90% of the NMs in the game in the past 4 weeks...I've been there and tanked them from the start, so what are you trying to argue about here? I don't think you ever tanked anything at all...what do you even do in this thread, you have nothing to say on the matter...not to mention your LS doesn't even have Chimera down, only Miser...and that as well just recently...what's your point?

I just came back 4 weeks ago after a 6 month break and already accomplished more in those 4 weeks then you...so what does that say about your and my skill in comparison?

If you want to make this a personal battle, just go on with it, I don't care...

[Peptaru]

Attack peptaru while he sleeps.

I'm awake now, and I was going to let this die, but since you looked at my pro, tell me.... what other characters do I play? have I played? what have a i fought? how tall am i? You, like other fools who think pro is end all of information, know nothing about me.

Second, i'm glad you said Pld can do it, earlier you said it couldn't. I said long ago that warrior is easier, I already agreed to that, and suggested to those who love pld and would play it if they could, that they IN FACT CAN do everyting on Pld, they just like easy/lazy mode.

Sorry for the bump, I'll let this die regardless of response or no response.

[Rydin]

Given the DMG my group does, NO I CAN'T do my job on PLD, cause he won't keep hate over them, while WAR does...this is not a question of easier, this is a question of who's better tanking job and WAR is.

If you think WAR tanking is the an excuse for wanting to make things easier, why not play all your roles naked without any abilities used? This is just a stupid argument...

He does all the things that PLD does, just better...if you want to gimp yourself, that's your choice, but I want to perform as best as I can on my role, which is tanking, which WAR does and PLD doesn't...simple as that.

Please stop saying this... warrior tanks are preferred for the HP... not enmity....
Yes warrior does more damage...
but come on
Take coincounter as an example....
With AOE rampart (The biggest hate puller in the game) and war drum....
that alone makes up for the extra WAR damage....
And if that wasn't enough... PLD can spam Holy Succor and cure..... in which case you'd have to do more than 1k damage every 10 seconds consistently to build that much hate.....
Massive enmity abilities... massive healing and decent damage.... PLD pulls more hate....

WAR is the tank of choice because PLD just has 2 major problems...

1. HP... thats a big deal

2. A lot of PLD hate relies on healing... but then PLD gets abilities that mitigate damage
Protect + Stoneskin + Divine Veil + Aegis Boon and you can literally spend 45 seconds of every minute not taking physical damage. So you either ignore the abilities so you can heal and build hate... or use the abilities and hope there are enough people around you when you cast "Rampart" to generate the enmity needed
Its a design flaw... for sure