Paladin Updates

[Peptaru]

I had meant for it to be taken that PLD provides its own safety net, I didn't miss your point, really! If pld provides enough breathing room then that second whm slot would just be wide open, if they don't then nothing would change from how it is now.

[Xianghua]

I had meant for it to be taken that PLD provides its own safety net, I didn't miss your point, really! If pld provides enough breathing room then that second whm slot would just be wide open, if they don't then nothing would change from how it is now.

People still do things on Classes for a safety net. It won't change. lol

[Alerith]

People still do things on Classes for a safety net. It won't change. lol

You're clearly not on an intellectual level high enough for this discussion.

"It won't change!"
"...never can and never will!"

If you can't contribute anything useful to the topic at hand, please refrain from posting. Especially when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Xianghua]

You're clearly not on an intellectual level high enough for this discussion.

"It won't change!"
"...never can and never will!"

If you can't contribute anything useful to the topic at hand, please refrain from posting. Especially when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually look at what we are talking about before insulting someone's intelligence. People are not all the sudden going to start running 1 white mage. just because pld has some new def buffs. That's not the reason they run with 2 whms.
They run with 2 white mages for the same reason other groups run things as classes. To have that safety net for when something goes wrong. Those people won't change.

It's the Same reason people do all the fights as Ranged DD to avoid AoE. Because it's much more Safer then going in with melee's. Once again these people will not change their stance. Until the fights change.

[Sol_Aureus]

I had meant for it to be taken that PLD provides its own safety net, I didn't miss your point, really! If pld provides enough breathing room then that second whm slot would just be wide open, if they don't then nothing would change from how it is now.

And given the changes listed in the patch notes, they don't even come close to providing the same kind of safety net having another WHM does. If your 1 WHM dies your PLD can't really take over main healing efficiently, you don't have chainspell raises to get your down WHM alive again, AoE cures, regen, the list goes on.

The mitigation PLD has is practically the same as a WAR with exception of the force blocks, which are only useful in certain situations. When your PLD and WAR both get hit with glower and take 3,000 damage and your PLD has 3,500 HP vs your WAR's 4,500...yeah.

[Peptaru]

And given the changes listed in the patch notes, they don't even come close to providing the same kind of safety net having another WHM does. If your 1 WHM dies your PLD can't really take over main healing efficiently, you don't have chainspell raises to get your down WHM alive again, AoE cures, regen, the list goes on.

The mitigation PLD has is practically the same as a WAR with exception of the force blocks, which are only useful in certain situations. When your PLD and WAR both get hit with glower and take 3,000 damage and your PLD has 3,500 HP vs your WAR's 4,500...yeah.

How'd you let your whm die?! You're doin it wrong!

[Lux_Rayna]

How'd you let your whm die?! You're doin it wrong!

You're joking but you're right lol. Thats like carrying around a backup tank cuz "what if your main tank dies!". At some point, you need to stop with the safety nets and just do it right. Take the training wheels off the bicycle. So what if you fall, pick yourself back up and try again. In time, you'll be riding bikes with no training wheels, no helmets, and flying down a hill without a worry in the world.

Playing a game is like riding a bike. Take off the safety nets, take your bruises, and then pwn. Idk why everyone is so afraid of losing, all you have to do is wait a few mins and try again. This whole "safety net" business is whats holding a lot of the community back from appreciating jobs to the fullest.

You know what happens when your one WHM dies? PLD takes over healing himself, until someone raises WHM, or PLD does hallowed ground > raise, or maybe all those mages/bards with cures can, idk, throw one on the WHM in an emergency. If *all* of you need healing you screwed up and did something wrong.

Seriously though, your WHM shouldnt die lol. If thats the reason anyone rolls 2 WHMs they need to lrn2play better. Or they could be like Xzibit and be like: "Yo dawg, I got backup whms for yo backup whms just in case yo backup whms dont get back up"

[Alerith]

If your 1 WHM dies your PLD can't really take over main healing efficiently, you don't have chainspell raises to get your down WHM alive again

Not completely true. Assuming you haven't had any other "Oh shit" moment, this is the perfect chance to make use of Hallowed Ground > Raise.

[Akumu]

Not completely true. Assuming you haven't had any other "Oh shit" moment, this is the perfect chance to make use of Hallowed Ground > Raise.

Yea this is actually useful. It is the only time I use Hallowed Ground as it seems the most efficient way. I never needed it otherwise since my healer(s) do a good job keeping me alive, besides using my own cures.