Paladin Updates

[Firon]

One of the problems with PLD is the extra time they take to grab hate. I have a 50 PLD and 45 WAR and I can say the difference while leveling the two as pure Tanks is amazing.

Besides the obvious differences among the two tanks, WAR can grab hate a lot faster compared to a PLD. If a PLD hate plummets he will almost always struggle getting it back. A WAR just laughs as he will rarely lose it and if he does he just reminds the mob who's the boss in seconds.

I'm not saying a PLD can't get and hold a mob, but it require more effort than a WAR.

Wut Sent + Flash + Rampart grabs so much hate.

[Treach]

Wut Sent + Flash + Rampart grabs so much hate.

Antagonize, Sentinel, Provoke, Flash and using Vengeance before first swing on you grabs more.

[Firon]

Antagonize, Sentinel, Provoke, Flash and using Vengeance before first swing on you grabs more.

And Holy Succor grabs more.

[Treach]

And Holy Succor grabs more.

Not really, it's amount healed divided by 1.6 for enmity to damage.

Oops, forgot to type out Rampart for warrior also.

[Akumu]

Antagonize, Sentinel, Provoke, Flash and using Vengeance before first swing on you grabs more.

and lets not forget collusion when someone drops a bomb on the mob.

[Mister-Wonderful]

Antagonize, Sentinel, Provoke, Flash and using Vengeance before first swing on you grabs more.

Vengeance would return rather low damage to the enemy until your initial buffs wore off, especially stoneskin.

[Akumu]

Wut Sent + Flash + Rampart grabs so much hate.

It grabs so much hate when you have only 1 mob to worry about. Multiple mobs it doesn't always work out as it would seem on paper. WAR strength plus their abilities allow them to hold mobs like a beast. A PLD has to stay on edge to maintain his threat.

If you think a PLD is on par with a WAR in HATE control you must be in denial. I love my PLD but I'm not going to pretend like a WAR will not do better than me on the battlefield.

[Firon]

It grabs so much hate when you have only 1 mob to worry about. Multiple mobs it doesn't always work out as it would seem on paper. WAR strength plus their abilities allow them to hold mobs like a beast. A PLD has to stay on edge to maintain his threat.

If you think a PLD is on par with a WAR in HATE control you must be in denial. I love my PLD but I'm not going to pretend like a WAR will not do better than me on the battlefield.

Def not in denial I played with a few wars today i can say this Decent pld is on par with a good war for single target tanking, Wars are not built to be the best tanks but they do really well if the players knows what they are doing. I ran into a lot of bad war tanks today doing ifrit cause them holding hate vs 1 mob is on par with a decent pld.

[Treach]

Def not in denial I played with a few wars today i can say this Decent pld is on par with a good war for single target tanking, Wars are not built to be the best tanks but they do really well if the players knows what they are doing. I ran into a lot of bad war tanks today doing ifrit cause them holding hate vs 1 mob is on par with a decent pld.

You don't judge a job based on the players, you judge them against each other and don't count skill factor into it.

For instant threat at the start of a fight warrior wins, for sustained threat warrior wins with dps and collusion and the same skills a PLD would use not counting cures that you can't get enmity with from over curing anymore, if you want to risk dying just so you can get full cure enmity be my guest cause it won't bother me if you die at all.

Disclaimer, this is not warrior fanboy opinions. I personally do not care which tank is currently best, I'll play whichever one it is.

[Arcell]

You don't judge a job based on the players, you judge them against each other and don't count skill factor into it.

For instant threat at the start of a fight warrior wins, for sustained threat warrior wins with dps and collusion and the same skills a PLD would use not counting cures that you can't get enmity with from over curing anymore, if you want to risk dying just so you can get full cure enmity be my guest cause it won't bother me if you die at all.

Disclaimer, this is not warrior fanboy opinions. I personally do not care which tank is currently best, I'll play whichever one it is.

Agreed. I play both and not only do I have an easier time tanking Ifrit on Warrior, our kills are much faster than with a Paladin tank. Hopefully the changes make Paladin worth playing as tank again. Hell even the White Mages prefer the Warrior tank since they have a much larger HP pool. There's more room to wait for a heal with Warrior than with Paladin.