Quote Originally Posted by Alerith View Post
As an ardent PLD player and supporter, I'm going to have to disagree with several points here.

Firstly, there are some situations where you will be forced to low HP. PLD and WAR alike are still subject to DYING. They are just as mortal as any other class, it simply takes a greater amount of damage to get them to a lifeless state. There are plenty of attacks that can drop you from low white to red. Also, neither Aegis Boon nor Divine Veil will save you from magic damage.

What I DO believe, is that PLD has much more self-substantiation than WAR. I believe PLD can maintain control over hate.

The problem is that WAR can be substantiated by sources outside of it's own abilities (i.e. WHM) and it also has solid hate control while contributing damage.

If someone argues that a PLD CAN'T tank something or they are useless, then they are simply being dense and closed minded. A PLD can perform just fine, it just isn't the most efficient means.

I'm not arguing that WAR is better for the job. Currently, it simply is. I do take issue with people who assume PLD can't do it at all, just because it doesn't do it like WAR.
Hate to double post but you say it all here. Agree almost 100%. I used PLD some last night and can say now that it's definitely better than GLA (which it was not before). With the SW change and DV change I feel like I'm helping the party much more than before. I did some Ifrit runs and only lost hate once to my WAR friend because I had apparently been lazy on voke/flash.

Before DV was like a funny joke ability that you press when you're safe to not die from ability lock (you know, like outmaneuver), now you spam it whenever it's up (along with outmaneuver!)

Hearing over vent "what's this divine regen thing?" was kinda nice too.

On a side-note for the GLA vs PLD aspect (hasn't been mentioned in a while) I actually did notice it seems as though the class vs job intention is intact here. I was soloing the Zan'rak coffer mob and had a very rough time on PLD, whereas GLA seems much safer.

All-in-all I say good progress, and I'm with you on the fact that PLD can now tank. And I think most of us are getting it right here that they need to give us a reason for this lower HP otherwise WAR will remain the preferred tank (even though now PLD can) as it's a bit safer from the big magic attacks.