Paladin Updates

[Arcell]

I thought you were supposed to sidestep onrush, I see your point about parry, but i fail to see why you'd let it hit you anyway if you can block something aegis boon would have reduced it to 0 and given you life, also.

Well neither of us had fought Buffalo in a while so I may have forgotten that bit, the point still stands though. Block does jack shit mitigating damage outside of Aegis Boon. Mine was down so I took that hit, shit like that happens.

[TirionCrey]

I thought you were supposed to sidestep onrush, I see your point about parry, but i fail to see why you'd let it hit you anyway if you can block something aegis boon would have reduced it to 0 and given you life, also.

I would like to see you "sidestep" Onrush...it's not like 100ton Swing/Swipe, it has no "casting" time, when he uses it, he uses it...hence the reason why everyone is tanking Buffalo against a wall, so they don't get knocked away by Onrush...why don't you just stop posting on Tank discussions, please?

[Peptaru]

Quiet little troll.

[TirionCrey]

Quiet little troll.

Do I sense some self-awareness here?

[Aceofspades]

My own LS members began to doubt my ability to sustain enough hate to compair to that of WAR. This posed a challange, soo i did what I normally do when I come across a chalenge. I rose to the ocasion (keep in mind, i had serious doubts myself i could do this). Until today , the biggest edge i gave WAR was hate control, because untill today I just had a hard time maintaining sufficent hate to keep it with my BLMs (scoring over 12-15k damage a fight) going all out, none stop nuking. PLD (imo) has superior healing abilities, and damage defelction. Soo truly the only real challange in my eyes was the hate control (i dont see the great need of a tank to deal damage, sure it would be nice, but frankly taking less damage and self curing is more benificial to the party.)
After some tweeking of my action bars (i never used to use macros) I found , not only did I maintain hate but my two hardest hitting THM/BLMs (15k+ damage a run) couldnt get out of yellow hate. I did notice tho because i was focusing soo much on hate controll and damage deflection I neglected my healing ablities simply cuz it was to dificult to get to fast enough. This is where i created my very first ever "battle macros" very simple macros , simply one for Holy Sucor and one for cure but it was effective no the less.
After I made these adjustments our group was able to do 4 speed runs outa 6 atemps. for some this is not impresive , but for a LS that dosent spend its every waking moment on the game, we were happy with our performance. Confidant now that no matter how much damage is delt I can keep hate , we are currently seeking better ways to deal DPS to Ifrit to challange our fastest time (8:45 ). We did take parses for those intrested, will post them as soon as my peeps send em to me.
As far as deflecting magic damage. IMO the only real tank option that has magic damage deflection built into it is PLD, or GLD. I think our current tanks are underestimating the usefullnes of stone skin. Realy fast cool downs, deflects a great deal of damage (both magical and physical) and takes realativly little mp. I use it soo much i keep it on my main bar right next to Devine Veil.
I did equip the gear i normally use during this fight on my war and just a fyi, after i did so, WAR's HP went down dramaticly, the 1k buff comes largely from AF gear wich I find deflects very little if any damage at all. In Fact PLD with Ifrit gear 36XX HP , War is roughly 4100 , not that great of a HP buff for lack of damage deflection.
As far as a fight in wich PLD is the undisputed best tank between it and WAR, Batrall. If i need to elaberate I will do so, but if your responding to this , I would hope you dont need an explination as to why PLD is clearly the winner in the Batrall fight.

[Alerith]

I ain't readin' that. Try again with some formatting.

[Aceofspades]

"If you're playing PLD right, it should feel like this:

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > War Drum > Phalanx > Rampart > Bloodbath > Spirit's Within > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Goring Blade"


Just curious, is that the actual order in wich you perform those abilities?

[Alerith]

"If you're playing PLD right, it should feel like this:

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > War Drum > Phalanx > Rampart > Bloodbath > Spirit's Within > Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Goring Blade"

Just curious, is that the actual order in wich you perform those abilities?

This is the ideal order to use your abilities if they are all up and you have 1750 TP. (Assuming no misses)

By Sentinel's effect, while it's active, enmity is increased for all your abilities. So enmity is increased across this entire ability string if you use sentinel first.

Aegis Boon allows for a 100% for sure shield block on the next physical attack or TP ability. Because of that, you can then War Drum right after for enmity as well as Phalanx to begin your first combo.

Assuming Phalanx hits, you then have enough time to use Bloodbath (because you'll likely take some damage before your next WS) then Rampart for an enmity boost before using Spirit's Within for damage and enmity.

If you had enough TP when you started the ability string, you can now use Fast Blade followed by Savage Blade, then you run through your enemy to the rear and use Goring Blade for damage and bleeding.

Tack Flash and Divine Veil onto the end and you'll be golden.

[Aceofspades]

This is the ideal order to use your abilities if they are all up and you have 1750 TP. (Assuming no misses)

By Sentinel's effect, while it's active, enmity is increased for all your abilities. So enmity is increased across this entire ability string if you use sentinel first.

Aegis Boon allows for a 100% for sure shield block on the next physical attack or TP ability. Because of that, you can then War Drum right after for enmity as well as Phalanx to begin your first combo.

Assuming Phalanx hits, you then have enough time to use Bloodbath (because you'll likely take some damage before your next WS) then Rampart for an enmity boost before using Spirit's Within for damage and enmity.

If you had enough TP when you started the ability string, you can now use Fast Blade followed by Savage Blade, then you run through your enemy to the rear and use Goring Blade for damage and bleeding.

Tack Flash and Divine Veil onto the end and you'll be golden.

I dont intend to sound like a smart ass or anything , but, I now understand why you have some hate controll issues. If i may be soo bold and put up some sequences in wich you may want to try

Sentinel > Aegis Boon > Flash > Voke > Phalanx > Spirit's Within >War Drum (keep in mind if you already have enough tp for war drum and or phalanx i would use those first but otherwise this set up buys you a few seconds to build a bit of tp while keeping all your hate moves inside that 10 second buff timer of Sentinel.)

Rampart dose build hate but a few things to know, only realy works if you use it and multiple people get it, the more people who get the buff the greater the hate generation and it dosent get better with sent.

Also AOE cures (when ever you can, helps to have that on a macro) also gens hate realy well, but the heal must actually regen HP back to the target/s HP bar

as far as the other weapon skills , the only other one that is designed to gen hate and has been improved for doing soo is
fast blade > flat blade. true this one dosent do much damage at all but it has fast cool down times and very low tp requirements soo that helps with being able to spam it ALOT , also anytime you can spam sheild bash ( after having done your combos) it also genrates hate.

its a bit to have to do , wich is why i put self cures on macros , but once you do that, hate gen, damage deflection and self cures are too easy to not have to do, your cartoon (altho funny as hell) is not what PLD "should feel like" . If done correctly PLD should feel like a Pianist playing a song, alot of button mashing sure, but if done with ryme and reason, and timing it gose smoothly and damage deflection is outstanding. Hate control is up to par and self heals (when needed ) are always available.

[Aceofspades]

oh and somthing i forgot, not sure if its devine veil or not, but it apears as tho my block rate DRAMTICLY increases with devine veil, so if you did not get either war drum or phlanax off with ageis boon, just pop devine veil and the option should open up