Paladin Updates

[Peptaru]

Everyone can get DL gear, not everyone cares enough to do it..... so i'm missin your point in that last one. Oh damn, was i sposta be killin myself to get it? I'm good without it.

Ideal classes can be ideal, but people have rejected others from parties unless they use the copypasta strategy jobs, its a sad day. For those of you who will run with whatever jobs are available at the time and still win while everyone plays what they want, well done!

[GreyJorildyn]

I didn't say you need to be ideal to win, just that when people know better, they want ideal. So "want" becomes "need" and yes, that is wrong, but it doesn't mean the community is "stupid", it simply means they want to increase their chances of success by a margin they feel is acceptable (even if it's just a baseline that they can never quantify).

This argument is old. Let's move on.

[Lux_Rayna]

I didn't say you need to be ideal to win, just that when people know better, they want ideal. So "want" becomes "need" and yes, that is wrong, but it doesn't mean the community is "stupid", it simply means they want to increase their chances of success by a margin they feel is acceptable (even if it's just a baseline that they can never quantify).

This argument is old. Let's move on.

I know what you were saying lol, I just thought you were making a good ole excuse for the ridiculous mentality of the community. Course now I know you were just offering a reason.

[GreyJorildyn]

I'm just gonna quote this war/nin became the flavor of the month when they added ACC food which made multi hit was good for something before all single target skills was best except for on drg who had acc traits which helped them not miss as much.

An excellent example of context, wouldn't you agree? One "small" change influencing, even creating, large sweeping changes to the mechanics of the game.

Just to add something:

I made my first 8/8 EXP party the other day. I went PLD with 2 other GLAs. Despite the tankiness, we were still rockin' pretty hard. Very little downtime with good exp (about 45k an hour I think, vs level 40 ants).

No WARs were present in the making of this party. Everyone played what they wanted, and we all had a blast.

Unfortunately we're not really talking about EXP parties, but rather the way players approach end game content. However that does not change the fact that with a strong party setup, there is a distinct possibility that could have been rolling down a much higher rate.

I know what you were saying lol, I just thought you were making a good ole excuse for the ridiculous mentality of the community. Course now I know you were just offering a reason.

And objectively it is a very good reason. Your opinions are just that; subjective, and you show your true colors in the use of the word "ridiculous". Your disdain is quite clear in this regard and I have an inkling it has been brought about by some event.

But we are not enemies. It is SE's encounter design you dislike. That is at the root of the problem when you break it down.

[Firon]

WAR/NIN was always there. Until Ridills, better merits, and adaberks became more readily available/obtained at large, it became a trend. Oh yeah, making stuff like speed belt and the like more available helped too. Again, context.

I'm just gonna quote this war/nin became the flavor of the month when they added ACC food which made multi hit was good for something before all single target skills was best except for on drg who had acc traits which helped them not miss as much.

[Madruk]

It's actually possible to do all three, we do mistress every time with 1 whm. Chimera can be done with 1 whm, but it's alot more sketchier as more things can go wrong. Same with Ant Queen. Would I do it everytime? Nope, I want to get the dungeons done as efficiently as possible because of the asian drop rates.

[Takinagi]

I don't think you could use one WHM and PLD on any of those since the WHM would be pulling too much hate on cure bombs. Maybe on miser if you got lucky with locking up bad breath.

[Alerith]

I don't think you could use one WHM and PLD on any of those since the WHM would be pulling too much hate on cure bombs. Maybe on miser if you got lucky with locking up bad breath.

A WHM pulling hate with cures off a PLD? I'm sorry, but even if PLD isn't at the same level as WAR, this is stupidly unlikely if your PLD is...you know...competent.

[GreyJorildyn]

Yes but clearly since you can having 5-6 DPS pulling 100+ DPS on Coincounter with a WAR tank, killing it in under 2minutes, you don't need all that superfluous enmity PLD can generate. It's a talent that is wasted/lost on that fight.

Extra enmity does not always make up for the loss of significant damage. If you are holding "just enough" enmity to keep stuff of BLMs in the above scenario or are a PLD skyrocketing past their enmity levels, then the largest different in the fight is the lost DPS from the tank.

[Alerith]

Yes but clearly since you can having 5-6 DPS pulling 100+ DPS on Coincounter with a WAR tank, killing it in under 2minutes, you don't need all that superfluous enmity PLD can generate. It's a talent that is wasted/lost on that fight.

Extra enmity does not always make up for the loss of significant damage. If you are holding "just enough" enmity to keep stuff of BLMs in the above scenario or are a PLD skyrocketing past their enmity levels, then the largest different in the fight is the lost DPS from the tank.

So....who cares?

Honestly, if you're so hung up on efficiency that people aren't allowed to join your groups because they don't contribute enough damage, even though you'll still win...

To hell with that lol