Ishgardian Restoration world visit.

[shandreax]

Crap I can only play on limited time, so per SE I NEED to world jump and pray to be able to participate in these limited once in my game life events.. since on my server unless you plant yourself firmly in the zone an 2 hours+ prior to your own worlds event you will get locked out and pray that you do not D/C. This is absolute CRAP!!!!!!

Listening to people from others worlds laugh at everyone on my server that is locked out.. SE fix this broken system.... and let people who earned it get into zone... or do not make an event that is just absolutely broken.

I am going to craft my stuff complete all the new items and glams and WRITE THIS FAILED EVENT OFF!!!

[Nalien]

Nothing like checking the Firmament in the morning, seeing we still haven't finished the stockpile stage, then looking around the zone and seeing it half-filled with Wanderer's (I counted about 18), only one of whom is actually contributing anything at all. Rest all standing around staring at the notice board waiting for that sweet sweet FATE money.

Sure am looking forward to these same people claiming they're the sole reason Twintania finished stockpiling, just like last time. Even though they're literally doing nothing. Great content.

Actually, FATEs don't actively scale based on the number of players currently present. They scale based on the numbers of players that completed it previously.

Sync the FATE to the time it took for the stockpile stage to be completed; Slower stockpiles result in an easier FATE, given slower stockpiling likely means low participation numbers to begin with. Essentially treat the stockpile stage as a FATE to scale the second Concerted Works FATE off of.

Done. Now we don't need World Visit to "ensure Concerted Works are completed". We can just lock out Wanderer's and stop all this d*ck waving, bitterness, and lock-out drama.

[homefell]

This point came up during the development of the Ishgardian Restoration, and we were aware of the risks involved

Honestly incredible to see they had the foresight of this scenario occurring and continued without being addressed. Wonder where the bar for deterioration lies if locking players out of content entirely, hours in advance, isn't low enough to warrant emergency measures on their own.

This content has been really awesome to see.. hearing that these risks were taken, knowing full well it would mean denying people the ability to participate based on their level of time commitment however, is really frustrating.

[Whalaqee]

This point came up during the development of the Ishgardian Restoration, and we were aware of the risks involved in players visiting other Worlds to help. However, we decided not to place those kinds of restrictions on the World Visit System for the following reasons:

• The number of crafters and gatherers varies considerably between Worlds. The Worlds with the most crafters and gatherers have over four times as many as those with the least.
• Worlds with low numbers of crafters and gatherers would struggle to carry out concerted works without visitors from other Worlds, creating a risk that those players would not be able to experience this content as intended.

I mean Yoshi, if you were worried about lower pop servers, why not let us gatherers contribute? As then crafters aren't shouldering the entire burden to move the progress bar. That way wanderers wouldn't be needed.

[Pietro01]

Just had a large group at fairie hanging out at the aetheryte, some of them laughing and mocking people for not being able to get into their own firmament. Great job Yoshi P, lol. It's great not being able to get rewards and if you do want them, y'gotta afk an hour or so out just to stay in and take part because of cancerous tumors of the community.

[Dwhin]

I think it is a big issue if you have to be in the firmament 2+ hours before the fate to be able to not get locked out

[Iscah]

This is an issue on JP servers as well, or Elemental at least.

Typhoon got their second bar filled late last night - it was around 2am for me, and I gave up waiting when I found out the FATE wouldn't be up until 4am - so went to check the marketboard and witnessed a stampede of wanderers coming through the plaza. "Off to the Firmament in Atomos" they said, and I hesitantly joined them just to see what it was like... but I (and a fair crowd around the Ishgard aetheryte) found the area was congested when I got there.

Back in Typhon today - the FATE must have failed or something, because there was another FATE for the same stage-2 works coming up around midday (10am in Japan, IIRC). Same issue. So many people crowded in that half the plaza looked deserted because I'd hit the display limit. Lots of wanderers AFK or arriving. People from my FC reported that it was congested half an hour before the event began.

The event itself, with a thirty-minute time limit, was completed in three minutes. This seems clearly far beyond their intended participation level.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

This is an issue on JP servers as well, or Elemental at least.

Typhoon got their second bar filled late last night - it was around 2am for me, and I gave up waiting when I found out the FATE wouldn't be up until 4am - so went to check the marketboard and witnessed a stampede of wanderers coming through the plaza. "Off to the Firmament in Atomos" they said, and I hesitantly joined them just to see what it was like... but I (and a fair crowd around the Ishgard aetheryte) found the area was congested when I got there.

Back in Typhon today - the FATE must have failed or something, because there was another FATE for the same stage-2 works coming up around midday (10am in Japan, IIRC). Same issue. So many people crowded in that half the plaza looked deserted because I'd hit the display limit. Lots of wanderers AFK or arriving. People from my FC reported that it was congested half an hour before the event began.

The event itself, with a thirty-minute time limit, was completed in three minutes. This seems clearly far beyond their intended participation level.

Iirc, when the event is triggered a fate happens 2 hours after that, and another happens 8 hours after that fate.

[Kitsuru]

I'm sorry but that's a stupid excuse from Yoshi P claiming that they did it because of giving "varying degrees of crafters and gatherers" on other servers a chance to do the event, but then blocking out other players on their own servers because of "varying degrees of crafters and gatherers" its still a double negative. fixing nothing. so why not leave each server to their own devices...making it only a single negative. if they do not have enough crafters / gatherers then maybe they should as a community from their own server work on that? this is the 2nd time i haven't been able to enter my own instance or better yet remove the god damn FATE reward, but what do i know got lots of great ideas for S.E, but all they care about is my money. i think the thing that bothers me most... SE isn't new to MMO's and yet every time you guys bring out new content its a $$$$ing gong show.

[Kokonji]

This point came up during the development of the Ishgardian Restoration, and we were aware of the risks involved in players visiting other Worlds to help. However, we decided not to place those kinds of restrictions on the World Visit System for the following reasons:

• The number of crafters and gatherers varies considerably between Worlds. The Worlds with the most crafters and gatherers have over four times as many as those with the least.
• Worlds with low numbers of crafters and gatherers would struggle to carry out concerted works without visitors from other Worlds, creating a risk that those players would not be able to experience this content as intended.

The difference in the number of active crafters and gatherers is the main reason for the varying degrees of progress between the various Worlds shown on the Lodestone’s Builders’ Progress Report.

To help ease this disparity, we decided to allow players to visit other Worlds within their data center and lend their assistance to the Ishgardian Restoration efforts of that World.

How about only limit wanderer so they could contribute only if the current world progress is one step or more behind his own home world ?
the wanderer couldn't access another world firmament if their progress/step is same or more than his own home world
so the small world will benefit from wanderer, and the more crowded world still could access his own firmament

This is an issue on JP servers as well, or Elemental at least.

Typhoon got their second bar filled late last night - it was around 2am for me, and I gave up waiting when I found out the FATE wouldn't be up until 4am - so went to check the marketboard and witnessed a stampede of wanderers coming through the plaza. "Off to the Firmament in Atomos" they said, and I hesitantly joined them just to see what it was like... but I (and a fair crowd around the Ishgard aetheryte) found the area was congested when I got there.

Back in Typhon today - the FATE must have failed or something, because there was another FATE for the same stage-2 works coming up around midday (10am in Japan, IIRC). Same issue. So many people crowded in that half the plaza looked deserted because I'd hit the display limit. Lots of wanderers AFK or arriving. People from my FC reported that it was congested half an hour before the event began.

The event itself, with a thirty-minute time limit, was completed in three minutes. This seems clearly far beyond their intended participation level.

Well, this kinda happen in Mana as well
yesterday I've locked out of firmament when the fate going to happen
i usually craft in my own house because the vast crowd of crafter in firmament (and their noises) make the crafting there unenjoyable for me (not to mention there's no market board there)
going back to firmament only for turn in the collectables, but it is congested because of fates,
while in foundation aetheryte there are many people (wanderer or not alike) locked out of as well