1.21a Paladin Ability Changes

[GreyJorildyn]

Miser's Mistress is a good example of a melee-DPS battle. However one of the reasons that is possible is the lack of aoe damage she deals. Thus WAR is still a better tank since it can DPS very well on her. PLD's talents are lost on that fight.

You can probably imagine if there was a melee-dps preferable fight where those melees did take damage, that it would likely be off-set by curaga spam or some other whm-induced mechanic/spell rather than the addition of a PLD. They could go hand-in-hand surely, but chances are the responsibility to keep the party alive would fall more in part on the healers than the tank.

[NoctisUmbra]

Miser's Mistress is a good example of a melee-DPS battle. However one of the reasons that is possible is the lack of aoe damage she deals. Thus WAR is still a better tank since it can DPS very well on her. PLD's talents are lost on that fight.

You can probably imagine if there was a melee-dps preferable fight where those melees did take damage, that it would likely be off-set by curaga spam or some other whm-induced mechanic/spell rather than the addition of a PLD. They could go hand-in-hand surely, but chances are the responsibility to keep the party alive would fall more in part on the healers than the tank.

What makes Divine Veil so useful is the indirect healing it provides, giving one less reason for the WHM to generate more enmity. Also, one can bring only 1 WHM with a PLD tank.

That being said, I concur that the encounters we have in game atm favor a WAR tank still for the most part. PLD needs an inherent defense buff as they mentioned in the job description ages ago. A very noticeable defense buff at that.

[Aceofspades]

I know , I know , "its just Ifrit" , just curious how other tanks WAR or PLD do , if anyone has any parse to share. havent dont the new bosses yet , but I look forward to it, sounds like in either situation PLD would make a great tank, Altho will admit WAR with good def gear could do good at damage deflection with Chimera , sorry if i spelt that wrong. but anytime you can block a huge percentage of physical attacks and the mob dose mainly or only physical damage, PLD should be the obvious choice for its ability to make 80% (roughly) of that damage disapear.

[NoctisUmbra]

I know , I know , "its just Ifrit" , just curious how other tanks WAR or PLD do , if anyone has any parse to share. havent dont the new bosses yet , but I look forward to it, sounds like in either situation PLD would make a great tank, Altho will admit WAR with good def gear could do good at damage deflection with Chimera , sorry if i spelt that wrong. but anytime you can block a huge percentage of physical attacks and the mob dose mainly or only physical damage, PLD should be the obvious choice for its ability to make 80% (roughly) of that damage disapear.

I'd probably prefer a PLD tank for Ifrit now. Couple it with only 1 WHM and 1 BRD and you can run multiple MNK DDs for the best DPS. Regen + Divine Veil would make more than just Sear obsolete.

[Aceofspades]

Would just like to add, soo this thread dosent go the way of others, if your gona post "facts" about this subject, could you provide sufficient evidance to support your theory? just claims alone are not only mis leading but often spark useless debate the essentualy serves no purpose other then to make people feel smarter then they realy are. Fraps, parse, or even discription of the abilties you talk about would be great to help keep this discusion literal and not " well WAR just FEELS like a better tank" or "I can tank the world solo on my PLD". not my thread just asking that people post responsably not just whaty THEY experianced and have no way to back it.

[GreyJorildyn]

You realize the only thing you can block on Ifrit is his basic attack, judging from your parse. Which also denotes you have a 121% block rate lol

Oh wait, no one cares about your paladin campaign. It's incredibly one-sided.

[Phobos]

Would just like to add, soo this thread dosent go the way of others, if your gona post "facts" about this subject, could you provide sufficient evidance to support your theory? just claims alone are not only mis leading but often spark useless debate the essentualy serves no purpose other then to make people feel smarter then they realy are. Fraps, parse, or even discription of the abilties you talk about would be great to help keep this discusion literal and not " well WAR just FEELS like a better tank" or "I can tank the world solo on my PLD". not my thread just asking that people post responsably not just whaty THEY experianced and have no way to back it.

This would be really hard to do for PLD vs WAR as you cannot parse enmity, and general damage taken / healing required differs from fight to fight even on the same mobs.

[Aceofspades]

ehh true, maybe videos to go with parses , will work on that this weekend, can you guys live with chimera or you need to see coin .. whatever the name is? IDC to do either , Princess is a Joke to tank soo i wont even count that one, hmm i will check tomorow, if you must see the AV boss then soo be it, just never been that far in AV soo may take a bit to get that fight down. maybe monday i will have em both on parse and video to go with. Other then that , their is nothing else i can do to prove to yall PLD is not only not broke but is as good ( if not better in other situations) then WAR at boss tanking. But as far as one sidedness gose there is nothing i can do about that.