1.21a Paladin Ability Changes

[Darkillumina]

Heaven forbid we have two tanks who can handle the role...

These fixes are great and help out paladin immensely. Each handles the role decently, yes Pally could use a small HP bump but the only people crying about the job in contrast to WAR are min/maxers.

The way the two are specialized at the moment leads to flexibility in the future for specific runs. For 2.0 most will not have all jobs to 50 and be simply looking to min/max to get gear as quickly as possible. Having more than one class for a certain role ensures that parties are easier to find in the future.

[Madruk]

Still no reason to bring a paladin to content that promotes speed over efficiency. Both of the new dungeons are basically pull mass mobs/aoe and the warriors 1600 cyclone crits while a paladin sitting there holding his "sword" doesn't have any comparable ability.

Good revamps but right now it accomplishes nothing. There has to be content to promote the use of a paladin first.

[GreyJorildyn]

They'll add something PLD excels at. It's only a matter of time really. ARC, PGL (MNK), LNC, and MRD all went through this same phase. It's part of the ebb and flow of the MMO raid design we've seen so far.

[Gradd]

SE cannot design tank jobs its XI all over again, (RDM DRK NIN all Shat all over PLD pretty hard in everything in XI in the 75 Era) as long as other jobs can Take damage just fine and Dish out damage at the same time Paladin (just like in XI) will never be a useful job.

Before the update introducing the job system CNJ was tanking Ifrit better than GLD tanks.

I have alot of faith in Yoshi and the Dev Team when it comes to building this game up, but when it comes to a no shit 'You need X-Job Tanking Now' I have no faith whatsoever in SE to deliver us a proper tank job.

[Geabrielle]

I suppose I still carry a greater faith and bias with Paladin, so I'm happy with any changes they get to better facilitate their role. I can admit that especially since my biggest grief as a support class is being stuck with said War as a blatant MP sponge on top of having to care for an entire party besides - on my small server before the impending merge having 2 healers for just about anything DOES NOT EXIST. There for by my experience War is NOT a tank they are a raging deathfest until some giant boss slaps them into the ground then goes after the squishies.

Also, I admit my playtime in XIV is a short span but the rules of tanking designations aren't hugely varied. We see the intent and it's up to us as players to make that intent into action and embrace it instead of shooting it down before we can even see things in action.

[datboycuong]

Basically if you bring a warrior in, you're guaranteed to have to have 2 WHM just because of how much they get hit.

If you have PLD now, maybe they will only need 1 healer

[syntaxlies]

I do not understand where people get that Warriors are tanks - I can't apply the term to a job that is nothing without a WHM standing behind it to make it work, while a PLD arguably can survive a heck of a lot longer without being baby sat except in the most extreme of situations. No disrespect to any warrior but from experience the internal dialogue is " I'm a Warrior, WAR SMASH" while the other is " My shield and I dare you to kill me! ".

Not trying to start an argument but the mindset baffles me. As a support player I'd much honestly have my stalwart Knight watching my keister than the berserk dervish that is going to do little more than make my healer the next target the instant he goes down .... now as a back up I see no problem with this because the rate of enmity from DPS is going to place said War in that predicament. But in all honesty I am happy to see the changes to Paladin as a step in the proper direction.

war has amazing tanking skills ,what are you talking about, lol. ever since they took guard ability away gld has sucked, they should just give guard back.

[Shiggysonson]

They should think about adding a system similar to the stance system from warriors in WoW. Make it so warriors can't tank unless they're in a defensive stance, and have the defensive stance lower damage done by the warrior by 50%~75%.

The biggest problem right now is how warriors can do damage, tank, and build insane enmity at the same time.

I also like the idea with the 1 healer requirement with paladin tanks and 2 healer requirements with warrior tanks.

[Geabrielle]

war has amazing tanking skills ,what are you talking about, lol. ever since they took guard ability away gld has sucked, they should just give guard back.

The word "tank" involves the stipulation of self survivability, a thing that warrior does NOT have with out massive mage support. Tanking skills involve more than enmity generation as well, a fact a lot of DDs forget in the glory of 'pulling hate' which gives the illusion of 'tanking'. That's NOT tanking that's holding hate until death or the white mage decides you're a burden. A paladin IS a tank by this defination and a warrior is a placebo. Harsh descriptor perhaps but again I'm looking at it from the view of having to keep said placebo alive withut a backup and it's actually not as efficient as it seems from this side of the fence.

[syntaxlies]

The word "tank" involves the stipulation of self survivability, a thing that warrior does NOT have with out massive mage support. Tanking skills involve more than enmity generation as well, a fact a lot of DDs forget in the glory of 'pulling hate' which gives the illusion of 'tanking'. That's NOT tanking that's holding hate until death or the white mage decides you're a burden. A paladin IS a tank by this defination and a warrior is a placebo. Harsh descriptor perhaps but again I'm looking at it from the view of having to keep said placebo alive withut a backup and it's actually not as efficient as it seems from this side of the fence.

rampart, feather foot, sentinel, second wind, foresight, blood bath. all healing or damage mitigation skills that can be used be war. They may not have as much as glad in that department but they do have them.