how much spellspeed do i want for blm?

[ErzaScarlet77]

im at 2370. i feel like i should drop that for more crit cuz i dont see that big f4 crit that often. my crit is curently at 2262

[AbelArchaniEA]

im at 2370. i feel like i should drop that for more crit cuz i dont see that big f4 crit that often. my crit is curently at 2262

It’s based on your rotation and preferences for mobility but 2370 is definitely very high. I run at 1650 with no issues.

[Kabooa]

As much or as little as you like. Black Mages always get the full benefit of Spellspeed, allowing it to be a matter of taste.

If you wanna go fast, go fast. If you wanna go slow, go slow.

[Shurrikhan]

As much or as little as you like. Black Mages always get the full benefit of Spellspeed, allowing it to be a matter of taste.

If you wanna go fast, go fast. If you wanna go slow, go slow.

Just know that Crit takes a long time to ramp up to equality against SpS (without any DHit, it takes almost 4k stat for Crit to nominally outperform SpS, assuming you can make optimal use of the latter). (Heck, it takes almost 3.5k just to outperform Determination.) If you want to use Crit at all, it's best to ramp it and DHit as high as possible, which may not leave much room for SpS.

Given that I love speed, I'd probably just go Speed>DHit>Det>Crit until later tiers just allow for too much Crit not to swap entirely over to it.

[Leidiriv]

Just know that Crit takes a long time to ramp up to equality against SpS (without any DHit, it takes almost 4k stat for Crit to nominally outperform SpS, assuming you can make optimal use of the latter). (Heck, it takes almost 3.5k just to outperform Determination.) If you want to use Crit at all, it's best to ramp it and DHit as high as possible, which may not leave much room for SpS.

Given that I love speed, I'd probably just go Speed>DHit>Det>Crit until later tiers just allow for too much Crit not to swap entirely over to it.

The "crit is worse than other stats until X tier" is based on bad information from Stormblood that got parroted at ShB's release. It only takes 17 points of crit to increase crit rate/damage by 0.1% (expected DPS value is a bit more difficult to calculate because of crit's exponential nature) compared to 6 points of Dhit to increase Dhit rate by 0.1% (24 points to reach an expected 0.1% DPS increase). Additionally, Determination takes 26 points to increase damage by 0.1%, and SpS/SkS take 26 points to reduce the GCD by 0.01 seconds (0.4% DPS if all damage is from GCDs, relative value goes down as more damage is from oGCDs or from sources unaffected by your class's chosen speed stat i.e. RDM's Enchanted Weaponskills or NIN's Ninjutsu).

So for BLM the expected DPS value of SpS far outweighs any other stat, but for classes like RDM, NIN, or MCH, crit quickly overtakes any other option thanks to its exponential nature.

[Shurrikhan]

See Nemekh's post on the next page instead. I had apparently been, again, listening to the rigorously confirmed data.

The "crit is worse than other stats until X tier" is based on bad information from Stormblood that got parroted at ShB's release. It only takes 17 points of crit to increase crit rate/damage by 0.1% (expected DPS value is a bit more difficult to calculate because of crit's exponential nature) compared to 6 points of Dhit to increase Dhit rate by 0.1% (24 points to reach an expected 0.1% DPS increase). Additionally, Determination takes 26 points to increase damage by 0.1%, and SpS/SkS take 26 points to reduce the GCD by 0.01 seconds (0.4% DPS if all damage is from GCDs, relative value goes down as more damage is from oGCDs or from sources unaffected by your class's chosen speed stat i.e. RDM's Enchanted Weaponskills or NIN's Ninjutsu).

So for BLM the expected DPS value of SpS far outweighs any other stat, but for classes like RDM, NIN, or MCH, crit quickly overtakes any other option thanks to its exponential nature.

Calculate it at 17 per .1% chance/increase then. Using that amount, the expected damage increase across 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 additional stat points (in isolation; no DHit helping Crit and vice versa) for each stat would be...

Critical Hit: 3.06, 6.91, 11.4, 16.8
Direct Hit: 4.15, 8.33, 12.5, 16.7
Determination: 4, 8, 12, 16

That said, Direct Hit and Crit Hit synergize, DHit helping Crit more than Crit helps DHit -- and more importantly buffs during burst which increase your Direct Hit or Critical Hit chances drastically increase the efficacy of Crit Hit's multiplier bonus -- so the actual values much more quickly outperform Det.

The nearest intervals to those points for SpS are 940/1041, 1955/2057, 2970/3072, and 3986/4088. We'll average from each end. Thundercloud will faintly reduce SpS's actual efficacy, but only by a trifle. We'll mark each with "~" to note this.

Spell Speed (BLM): ~4.38, ~8.93, ~13.9, ~19.3

We agree that SpS is going to be the most efficient stat for at least at couple tiers before Crit overtakes it, but Crit starting off weak is not just a result of misinformed parroting. In itself, is weak until one has sufficient DHit+Crit. Of course, one needs to account for how much Crit/DHit getting from raid buffs, too, and that's where it gets complicated.

In SB, it took, what... almost 4k total between the two for Crit to finally eclipse DHit as the most efficient stat?

[Nemekh]

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I really don't want to dig into this right now having not slept with the patch night in mind. But this is misinformation with regards to crit vs, especially with regards to the farce that was Stormblood era misinformation thanks to the likes of Omono and that one reddit thread that was a thorn in my side, that it took 14! months for the community as a whole to recover from that DH is king and crit is bad until x nonsense. It really has not helped that certain notable YouTubers decided to revive the statements in their 5.x era videos. It undoes so much of our hard work each time.

You need to look at absolute damage resultants for max damage potential. Do I really have to make a big disclaimer in bold on my website about it D: there's a reason why so many BiSes prioritise the stats in the manner they do, and early enough in the expansion instead of requiring gear from the end raid tiers. It was the same in Deltascape having Crit biased BiSes that I made for RDM and SMN back then which I still have listed on akhmorning.com in the historical gear sets page.

This expansion I am getting so tired of people stating the likes of "Crit's worthless until you get 3200" over and over. Enough with history repeating needlessly.

Anyway, with regards to BLM their high crit set is very competitive, but the max speed set enables some edge case rotation considerations that slower sets cannot, but those are concerns for people speedrunning more than the typical player. Go with what's comfy enough for you OP, however, if you want dedicated sets that have already been built to aim for here are what we list at The Balance:

"Fast/Min Crit BiS" (Mathematical Best)

"High Crit BiS" (Comparable w/ Crit Comp)

"SMN/RDM-Friendly BiS" (can use the SMN/RDM BiS w/o swapping melds)

Relative Gear Comparison sheet

[Numenor1379]

I am at about 2700 myself, it's all personal preference.

[Avenger]

All the spell speed all the time.

In addition to improving base dps, the lower your gcd is the less it feels like casting underwater and the easier it is to sneak in extra spells while doing mechs.

[Orbus]

Spell speed is def. king.
More spells in less time, easier to edge out mechanics preventing cast cancelling, and instant cast spells have less recovery time.

But it sure feels good seeing those direct crit foul, despair's and xenoglossy's.