we need content with difficulties between dungeon and ex/savage

[ErzaScarlet77]

dungeons are so braindead even my 10 years old sister could do them, meanwhile savage and ex keep getting harder with more nonsense mechanics and longer duration. i want content where i can feel challenged and beat without having to watch youtube videos

inb4 "i beat hades ex first try eyes closed hands tied behind my back"

[EnigmaticDodo]

I agree with you. What would you call them?

Side note: Hades is mechanically simple, its just a bunch of DPS Checks that hold people back.

[Hyperia]

I agree with you. What would you call them?

Side note: Hades is mechanically simple, its just a bunch of DPS Checks that hold people back.

We used to have a better scaling system of: Story -> Hard -> Extreme -> Savage -> (Ultimate was not around then but it is now)

I would like to see a more graduated system as well.

[Noitems]

Dungeons and EX/Savage aren't really the best things to compare. Because to that end normal trials/raid fit your bill.

EX is the middle ground between normal and Savage. It's your first step into the higher tier content and it's not that bad. Hell all three SHB EX's have been pretty fine. Hades is prob the easiest one mechanic wise, it just looks a lot worse then it actually is.

[Fynlar]

[Tint]

We have that content. Normal mode trials, normal mode raid and 24 man raids are all between dungeons and ex/savage in difficulty.

[JohnnyDevo]

Why do you have to watch videos?

Find some friends that haven't done the fight and/or are willing to go into it blind, and go into it blind.

For me, that's the biggest fun in new content. Discovering it and figuring out how to beat it without someone telling me how.

The last time I ever watched a video was when I was entering a learning party for content that had already been out for over a week

[Stepjam]

The only thing I can think of that would be more challenging but less esoteric mechanics wise would be mechanics that come out faster, but then you start running into ping issues.

I remember running O11N with my fc and hearing tons of complaints about how they were sure they were safe on the wavecannons but got hit.

[Kokonji]

well, the content you seek for between dungeon and savage is already there : normal trials, normal 8man raids, 24man raids, and even extreme trials fall into the category (albeit in the higher end of the chart)

if you want to blind run, just create a pf...
for next content, just don't late on the hype train in the first week of content, usually there's plenty of blind run on the first week or so (you could even find some of those blind progger in df ! )

[ErzaScarlet77]

normal trials and 24 mans are just as braindead as dungeon. speaking of ex, why dont they put these in duty finder? not everyone has the time to camp party finder waiting an hour to fill up just to practice