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  1. #31
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    If Doomtrain is added as a primal in this game I demand the ability to suplex it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    If Doomtrain is added as a primal in this game I demand the ability to suplex it.
    Well as we weren't allowed to suplex Phantom Train... I guess this could be allowed. But as a active-time-event thingy, so everyone can get involved... not just for the Monks!

    As long as everyone remembers it was Phantom Train that was suplex'd.... not Doomtrain. Doomtrain will merely take on this epic sceptical, as Phantom Train denied us.
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    So...you are correct that Phantom Train and Doomtrain are not the same, but you are technically not correct that it is not already in the game. Doomtrain is the English name, but its original Japanese name is Glasya-Labolas, who is a boss in Syrcus Tower.

    Not that they couldn't still add Doomtrain of course, we already have multiple Titans and other things from different games that were originally just different versions of the same character. Just thought I'd throw out that factoid.
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    Doomtrain is just a variation of Phantom Train, much in the same way Garuda and other classic summons exist in numerous Final Fantasy titles: slightly different spins on the same base concept. The similarities are anything but superficial.

    To be honest, I can't even imagine the dev team doing better than Sigmascape 1.0 in the first place; the aesthetics, battle design, and nostalgia make it the best raid in the game for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyHaunt View Post
    Now don't you tell me he's already in it; because that's Phantom Train, and Phantom Train is a completely different train (and character). They're not one and the same. Phantom Train is cool, but not as cool as Doomtrain.
    Because Indra totally isn't Ramuh!


    and from that same game.... Jinn was definitely NOT Ifrit.


    One is an evolution or is derivative of the other. The statement that they have different lore, as well, would say that we need FFX Ifrit because our Ifrit isn't a Fayth.

    It's okay to want to see the Final Fantasy VIII version of this character added into the game (also it's been years but I think it was mentioned that this train is the one that runs on the tracks in Central Thanalan) but they really are basically the same thing. They're undead trains that deal with poison effects. Doom Train was an evolution of Phantom Train, and could literally be resigned to the difference of translators and localization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino View Post
    So...you are correct that Phantom Train and Doomtrain are not the same, but you are technically not correct that it is not already in the game. Doomtrain is the English name, but its original Japanese name is Glasya-Labolas, who is a boss in Syrcus Tower.

    Not that they couldn't still add Doomtrain of course, we already have multiple Titans and other things from different games that were originally just different versions of the same character. Just thought I'd throw out that factoid.
    Its true that is his Japanese name; but the fact that Glasya-Labolas isn't a train in FFXIV kinda makes me think its just a boss named after the demonology origin of that name, and nothing to do with Doomtrain.

    Quote Originally Posted by rachcouture View Post
    Doomtrain is just a variation of Phantom Train, much in the same way Garuda and other classic summons exist in numerous Final Fantasy titles: slightly different spins on the same base concept. The similarities are anything but superficial.

    To be honest, I can't even imagine the dev team doing better than Sigmascape 1.0 in the first place; the aesthetics, battle design, and nostalgia make it the best raid in the game for me.
    I do keep saying it doesn't need to be a fight; just gimmie a Doomtrain minion (not Phantom Train.... Doomtrain....)

    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    It's okay to want to see the Final Fantasy VIII version of this character added into the game (also it's been years but I think it was mentioned that this train is the one that runs on the tracks in Central Thanalan) but they really are basically the same thing. They're undead trains that deal with poison effects. Doom Train was an evolution of Phantom Train, and could literally be resigned to the difference of translators and localization.
    I thought they called that one Phantom Train in Thanalan? Anyhow Doomtrain in Japanese was called Glasya-Labolas (demonology) and (apparently) Phantom Train's name translated to 'Magic Train'? I dunno, quite different if we're gonna bring the original names into this.
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    I've been asking for Doomtrain to be the first 8 People Mount since we got Regalia for 4 People, bring Doomtrain in the future at FFVIII Raid, SQEX
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenzelVilliers View Post
    I've been asking for Doomtrain to be the first 8 People Mount since we got Regalia for 4 People, bring Doomtrain in the future at FFVIII Raid, SQEX
    I think this is a good idea too! No matter how crazy a 8 people mount sounds. XD
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    I still want Doomtrain as well. I loved the nod during the Rising years back and have been anticipating actual representation at some point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukino View Post
    So...you are correct that Phantom Train and Doomtrain are not the same, but you are technically not correct that it is not already in the game. Doomtrain is the English name, but its original Japanese name is Glasya-Labolas, who is a boss in Syrcus Tower.

    Not that they couldn't still add Doomtrain of course, we already have multiple Titans and other things from different games that were originally just different versions of the same character. Just thought I'd throw out that factoid.
    Yeah, Titan was the first thing I was thinking of with this. His name is spelled "Teitan" rather than "Taitan" in FF3's Japanese version, and the reason he was named Acheron and then Phlegethon in XIV was to differentiate that he's different from XIV's Primal, Titan. Funny that this name controversy could once again be linked to FF3.

    This could play out the opposite way. They keep the "Doomtrain" name for the English version of the game, and the Japanese version can be "Duumutorein" in Katakana. Whatever its name in Japanese, their regional players will still recognize it as their FFVIII'S Glasya Labolas, not unlike how we recognize Phlegethon as FF3's Titan.
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    isnt doomtrain mentioned in one of the msq roulette dungeons? like theres a doon train station
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