Thread: So, what's all coming in 5.11 again?

I'm just excited that Francel is finally getting to do something.

They're going to find something to nerf, something to over-simplify, and everybody on the forums and beyond will go out of their way to defend the changes because it lets them be good at the game while putting zero effort into it.

Look forward to it.

Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

They're going to find something to nerf, something to over-simplify, and everybody on the forums and beyond will go out of their way to defend the changes because it lets them be good at the game while putting zero effort into it.

Look forward to it.

Haha, well, I can’t say you’re wrong about that one.

Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

They're going to find something to nerf, something to over-simplify, and everybody on the forums and beyond will go out of their way to defend the changes because it lets them be good at the game while putting zero effort into it.

Look forward to it.

Almost as if it were a game we want to enjoy, instead of having to sink hours into what we consider unenjoyable bits.

Personally I'd be quite happy if crafting just involved gathering the materials and converting them into crafted items with no 'manual handling' required. I've played other games with crafting systems like that.

I'll get far more enjoyment out of whatever story is attached to the Ishgard restoration than I'll possibly get from the activity of crafting the required items.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Almost as if it were a game we want to enjoy, instead of having to sink hours into what we consider unenjoyable bits.

Personally I'd be quite happy if crafting just involved gathering the materials and converting them into crafted items with no 'manual handling' required. I've played other games with crafting systems like that.

I'll get far more enjoyment out of whatever story is attached to the Ishgard restoration than I'll possibly get from the activity of crafting the required items.

Yes, and I would like to be able to to clear savage raids by just queuing for them.

Step 1 - Queue for raid.
Step 2 - Wait for raid to pop.
Step 3 - The queue pops. Immediately, a cutscene plays of my character beating up the raid boss or whatever. I automatically get the loot I want and the duty is marked as cleared.

Because some people don't want to sink hours and hours into wiping, which they may consider unenjoyable.

Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Yes, and I would like to be able to to clear savage raids by just queuing for them.

Step 1 - Queue for raid.
Step 2 - Wait for raid to pop.
Step 3 - The queue pops. Immediately, a cutscene plays of my character beating up the raid boss or whatever. I automatically get the loot I want and the duty is marked as cleared.

Because some people don't want to sink hours and hours into wiping, which they may consider unenjoyable.

Crafting is not the main goal of the game, no matter how many people would like it so. So it can be afforded to become a "press button and item comes out" system.

PVE is the main goal of the game, so there's no chance it can be simplified to that extreme. You might as well go play AFK Arena for that.

Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Crafting is not the main goal of the game

So when developers make a game, they must make only what some forum users consider the "main goal" require effort and time? This is an mmorpg. Some rpg players actually like their rpgs to have progression.

Also, you don't need to be a crafter. You don't need to be a gatherer. So yes, they can afford to make it difficult. Logically speaking, they could even afford to make it more difficult than pve content. Because, you know, it's optional.

Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Crafting is not the main goal of the game, no matter how many people would like it so. So it can be afforded to become a "press button and item comes out" system.

You've mixed that up. Side content is the content that can afford to be difficult or grindy, because it caters to the small crowd that enjoy it fully. It's the MSQ, which must be available to every player, that is forced to be simple and accessible.

Look at the effort you need to breed a perfect rank 9 chocobo. Or the 1000-2000 S ranks you need for a Hunt mount. Or the harder PvP mount grinds. Or the difficulty of Ultimate raids. Or high ranking Mahjong. Or the weeks you can sink chasing a single Triple triad card. Or the months needed for Relic grinds. Or the tiny handful who have beaten 200 solo PotD.

Plenty of side content demands effort, patience and dedication. Why should high end crafting be different?

Originally Posted by Barraind

They've said the part of it people are looking forward to isnt until 5.2, so I'm not holding out hope for all that much interesting content in 5.11.

Back to my slumber I go then. Sub ends in like 3 days.