MSQ CS Torture, I have a Solution!

[GoldenVoice]

Those chances are pretty high when you can just PF a group looking for a quick run and guarantee skipping cutscenes. Which, as repeatedly stated, results in newer players having a harder time getting through queues. And, again, rewards for having a cutscene-free run would and should be made minuscule. The rewards are incentive for being patient through cutscenes. Remove the cutscenes from the equation, and the rewards have no reason to exist.

In conclusion, none of this is a new idea, there is no simple solution, if you want the rewards, display some patience, the system works fine as it is for now, until it is completely overhauled.

Simply make it so you cant que for MSQ Roulette with a PF party, and as for the rewards, the rewards do not reflect the time and aggravation of having to be in a cut scene locked run. the time and tedium involved warrants a little more and i sure you'll disagree and have some comment on it but the fact remains for the headache of running the MSQ locked forced to endure the same thing over and over without skipping the rewards should be raised a little more. And yes we do the dailies for the rewards, as everyone does, to get the tombstones for gear and so on as it is now but I think it could have a little more pay out considering the length of time being sacrificed when many of us with jobs and or family have limited time to be online.

[GoldenVoice]

People don't seem to understand that the current rewards equal the time spent,

No, it doesn't, it really doesn't. It's a headache. Its tediously long. And while the devs jobs is to PLAY games for a living most people have jobs that require them to measure their game play and rely on dailies to keep up with getting gear making certain quotas so as not to be left behind so to say that we can just NOT PLAY is not only insensitive but a really salty comment to make. Everyone has the right to get what they can to not only enjoy the game but to keep up with others and the daily roulettes are part of that. And if we are to be FORCED, YES FORCED, to endure the tedium of these cut scenes to get our rewards spending 30 to 45 minutes on a run that could take half that time id we could skip then we should get a bit more reward out of it. I myself have limited time to play and have to measure my game play. And i use the dailies to get what i can to keep up to gear up, buy items to hand in for seals to get crafting items that can only be gotten from the GCQM and to finish leveling classes i haven't maxed out yet with the exp bonus. And I and everyone else have a right to that. So your comment about DONT RUN THE CONTENT, is just a lot of salt to people who cant waste all day long playing.

[GoldenVoice]

The majority we hear from And no, a vote button wouldn't work

NO, no it wouldn't. I agree it puts too much pressure on new players and that's not fair and I would never want anew player to have their moment ruined. When i first played I loved seeing it all unfold And everyone has the right to do that. That's why is I said that the best way would be if the same system that detects new players to a dungeon and grants bonus reward should be used to detect new players to the MSQ and lock the Cut scenes only when they are detected. And if someone leaves, big deal they will get a time penalty for being a jerk and leaving and the rest of the group will continue on I'm sure. And there will always be someone in Que to take that persons place. Its a simple and fair solution so as to not punish groups of seasoned players with locked runs while new players still have no pressure to vote to skip. I don't see what's complicated about that. And if, as someone suggested, people want to try and abuse the system and try to make prearranged groups then full prearranged groups should be locked out of the roulette to make sure that doesn't happen. as long as there is room for random selection it should still be a fair chance for new players to get in.

[Tlamila]

I have a question. Who exactly is forcing you to run MSQ roulette? Have you ever thought of, I don't know, just not doing it? And leaving it to people who enjoy it?
It's not even some endgame thing that gives you a shiny mount or BiS gear you need to have.

[GoldenVoice]

I have a question. Who exactly is forcing you to run MSQ roulette? Have you ever thought of, I don't know, just not doing it? And leaving it to people who enjoy it?
It's not even some endgame thing that gives you a shiny mount or BiS gear you need to have.

as I have stated before, its not a matter of forcing me or anyone else to run the msq its that I and others like me who have jobs and or family have a very limited amount of time to play. the daily roulette, including the MSQ, is one of the few ways i can make the most of my limited time to get as much exp for the classes I'm still leveling and to get the tombstones i need to keep up with my FC gear wise when I run with my 80 to get the bonus tombstones. I also use poetics i get to buy items to hand in for seals to buy crafting materials and other things i can only get from the QM. I have a right like everyone else to be able to do what ever i can to keep up and advance int he game but when they Lock the cut scenes and make something last 3 times as long as it needs to for no good reason, such as when the group is entirely made up of seasoned players and it becomes meaningless for the CS to be locked, then that becomes a tedious exercise and a waste of what little time I and anyone else like me has in the game to play. So save the salt for your diner plate. I have a right to do the MSQ like anyone else and a i have a reasonable grievance with this practice of locking the cut scenes.

[Vidu]

as I have stated before, its not a matter of forcing me or anyone else to run the msq its that I and others like me who have jobs and or family have a very limited amount of time to play. the daily roulette, including the MSQ, is one of the few ways i can make the most of my limited time to get as much exp for the classes I'm still leveling and to get the tombstones i need to keep up with my FC gear wise when I run with my 80 to get the bonus tombstones. I also use poetics i get to buy items to hand in for seals to buy crafting materials and other things i can only get from the QM. I have a right like everyone else to be able to do what ever i can to keep up and advance int he game but when they Lock the cut scenes and make something last 3 times as long as it needs to for no good reason, such as when the group is entirely made up of seasoned players and it becomes meaningless for the CS to be locked, then that becomes a tedious exercise and a waste of what little time I and anyone else like me has in the game to play. So save the salt for your diner plate. I have a right to do the MSQ like anyone else and a i have a reasonable grievance with this practice of locking the cut scenes.

So... you're saying the MSQ is the best use of your limited time, while also saying that the reward doesnt properly reflect the time it takes - which would imply that there are better, more exp-efficient ways to gain exp. Why arent you pursing those, then? I'm not sure what those ways would be, since I'm not in any rush to level up, but if you know of a place that gives you a better time/exp-ratio, why not go there?

While you obviously have a right to do the MSQ, you should also ask yourself: Are you really the target-audience for this content? The MSQ isnt really meant to be for people who are in a rush or on limited time - its first (and mostly!) meant as a way to ensure that new people can watch their cutscenes in peace. Thats the main purpose. Anything that could endager that purpose needs to be kept out because that would go against the very idea and reason behind that roulette. Any way of skipping cutscenes would endager that purpose:
- Vote to skip cutscenes: New person gets out-voted or presured into voting "yes"
- Only play cutscenes with new person present: New person gets kicked or people leave to fish for a better run

There is a good reason that those runs take so long and thats to ensure that new people - even if no new person is present in your current run - get to enjoy the climax of ARR without being left alone somewhere, confused, missing the fights and just getting to watch cutscenes without context.

If the MSQ roulette feels like a waste of your limited time, then... dont do it? I'm not saying you're not allowed to, I'd just strongly suggest that you find a better use for your time - or maybe just one where you feel the time/exp-ratio is better. There are many, many ways in this game to level up and seeing how this expansion is gonna last about 1,5 more years I dont see the need in rushing everything to 80 right now - fair enough, you might, not denying that, but just a little reminder here...
Not everyone has to do every content or use every way of getting exp - if the MSQ as it is now doesnt suit your needs, find something that does! The MSQ roulette isnt designed or supposed to suit the needs of someone with limited playtime to level up fast. Its designed to fill queues for new people, who can then watch their cutscenes in peace. If your intrest collidies to much with theirs, maybe step aside and give other ways of leveling a go: PotD, HoH, FATEs, dungeons, beast tribes, PvP... There is no "need" for you to run MSQ - you can get what you want elsewhere. The new person has no alternative to see the end of ARR, though.

[Vidu]

[...]Everyone has the right to get what they can to not only enjoy the game but to keep up with others and the daily roulettes are part of that.[...]

I wanted to reply to this aswell, since this seems like a very weird and twisted idea to me... Paying your monthly sub grants you excatly one "right": Access to the servers and the game. And thats that. Not more, on occassion even less (bans, maintance etc.). Your're only "right" as far as enjoyment of the game goes is that you have a right not to be harrassed or griefed by other people. Other than that its really up to you to find enjoyment and fun within the game - the game doesnt has to enertain you. It aims to, obviously, but if it fails theres not contract broken.

So... you have the right to access the game and play it within the rules set by the game - some of those rules benefit you ("You get a reward for daily roulettes") some of those rules benefit other people ("You have to watch the cutscenes"). You can choose to accept those rules - or not. Of course you can give feedback in regards to those "rules", but you may need to understand that some of them are in place to protect or help other people, even if its an inconvenice to you.

Your only rights are access to the server and whats stated in the ToS, though - and I really dont think that the mandatory Cutscenes in the MSQ- roulette violate any part of the ToS...

You might be forced to watch the cutscenes - but you're by no means forced to run the MSQ roulette. You have the right not to do that - and if it hurts your overall enjoyment of the game, you're probably better off not queueing for it anymore and looking for a different source of exp instead.

[Frizze]

and as for the rewards, the rewards do not reflect the time and aggravation of having to be in a cut scene locked run. the time and tedium involved warrants a little more and i sure you'll disagree and have some comment on it but the fact remains for the headache of running the MSQ locked forced to endure the same thing over and over without skipping the rewards should be raised a little more.

Im sorry to say you are wrong. If the rewards were too low, people wouldnt run the roulette. This would show up in analytics reports that the devs get, which would lead to them increasing the rewards(which theyve previously done 4 or 5 times) so that the ques populate at the desired frequency. So if you really think the rewards are too low, the solution is to do something else. When enough people do this, the rewards will increase to get people back into the que.

[Hysterior]

Or don't do that roulette. Also works.
Tested and approved.

[Saefinn]

Alcohol is the solution.

Make a drinking game out of it.

Problem solved.