MSQ CS Torture, I have a Solution!

[MitsukiKimura]

I suggest you dont do the MSQ roulette if you dont "want" to watch the cutscenes - anything that involves a vote or checking for new people will only lead to ruining the experience for said new people: if one person is new but 7 arent they're either pressured into voting to skip or are just outvoted 7 to 1. If there is a new person and cutscenes are enabled, people will just leave and fish for a newbie-free run.

You're also forgetting that your reward is this huge to compensate for the cutscene time - so anything that skips the cutscenes should also cut the reward by 60-70% (if you cut the time the dungeon takes by that amount, you should also cut the reward accordingly - 15 instead of 40 minutes, so 37,5% of the exp instead of the full 100%)

People need to understand that this roulette and this system were put in place to help people running this for the first time. The main purpose isnt that YOU get an aweful lot of exp, the main purpose is to get you into those dungeons to help a new person watch their cutscenes in peace. You get the exp as a reward for that - and if thats not what you want to do, you're free to not do the roulette.

I understand its annoying when there is no new person, but all your suggestions will only harm the purpose of the roulette, as I explained above. The playerbase has shown that they cant be trusted with waiting for someone running this the first time and I for one rather see silly requests like this pop up in the forums from time to time then read about a new player experience who queued up for the grand final of ARR only to be left in an empty duty because everyone left since they knew they had to watch the cutscenes.

If its "pain" and "torture" for you to run those dungeons: Dont do it. There are plenty of other ways to get exp and tomestones.

I can somewhat agree but if everyone's already done it, there's no need to watch the cut scene. There won't be new people running it all the time

[Vidu]

I can somewhat agree but if everyone's already done it, there's no need to watch the cut scene. There won't be new people running it all the time

Yes, which is why people who dont want to watch the cutscenes but still want their juicy reward (thats only in place to compensate for watching the cutscenes in the first place) would simply leave when there is a new player - eat their 30 minute penalty and queue again hoping they wont have to deal with cutscenes the next time. Any system that will allow for a cutscene skip will ultimatly lead to new players suffering again.

[MitsukiKimura]

Yes, which is why people who dont want to watch the cutscenes but still want their juicy reward (thats only in place to compensate for watching the cutscenes in the first place) would simply leave when there is a new player - eat their 30 minute penalty and queue again hoping they wont have to deal with cutscenes the next time. Any system that will allow for a cutscene skip will ultimatly lead to new players suffering again.

That might be the case for 1 person or so, even if then, the person who leaves will suffer the penalty and have to take that "Chance" of hoping to not get someone new. Again, not everyone is going be new to it forever, there will have to be a change to it eventually.

[Vidu]

That might be the case for 1 person or so, even if then, the person who leaves will suffer the penalty and have to take that "Chance" of hoping to not get someone new. Again, not everyone is going be new to it forever, there will have to be a change to it eventually.

There are always new people coming in, so... there will always be someone who needs to do this for the first time.

The actual best solution would be to turn those into solo-duties, utilising the AI they developed for Squadrons and Trusts and simply removing it from the DF alltogether, MSQ-roulette and all. That way no one will feel they have to "suffer" through those cutscenese the 100th times, while the new people can enjoy the end of ARR without feeling rushed or having people complain about having th watch those cutscenes again.

[MitsukiKimura]

There are always new people coming in, so... there will always be someone who needs to do this for the first time.

The actual best solution would be to turn those into solo-duties, utilising the AI they developed for Squadrons and Trusts and simply removing it from the DF alltogether, MSQ-roulette and all. That way no one will feel they have to "suffer" through those cutscenese the 100th times, while the new people can enjoy the end of ARR without feeling rushed or having people complain about having th watch those cutscenes again.

I've actually ran it quite frequently with people who've already done it numerous times so it's not "always" going to have someone new. Though I am in no rush for any change to come to it, I expect there to be something in the future to change this on the account, you can pretty much run 3 other roulettes by the time MSQ gets done for the same amount of exp.

[LalafellDown]

There are always new people coming in, so... there will always be someone who needs to do this for the first time.

The actual best solution would be to turn those into solo-duties, utilising the AI they developed for Squadrons and Trusts and simply removing it from the DF alltogether, MSQ-roulette and all. That way no one will feel they have to "suffer" through those cutscenese the 100th times, while the new people can enjoy the end of ARR without feeling rushed or having people complain about having th watch those cutscenes again.

Hold on a second. You just spent hours worth of replying and disagreeing with other suggestions and then say, “just scrap the whole thing and add AI? What was the point of the whole helping new people rant?

[Vidu]

Hold on a second. You just spent hours worth of replying and disagreeing with other suggestions and then say, “just scrap the whole thing and add AI? What was the point of the whole helping new people rant?

"Hours worth"? Those replies took me a couple of minutes.

And the point was that I believe the best way to help new people to play through those dungeons for the first (and maybe only - if turned into a solo instances) time would be to add AI. Until that happens the best way is to make very sure that they can watch their cutscenes in peace by making them unskipable under any circumstances. The current payout is this high to encourage people to "help" new people. The main purpose of this roulette and especially the high reward isnt that someone gets some easy exp, its that someone new can get their clear. I believe AI would be the better solution here, but until we get that unskipable cutscenes are the next best bet.

[LalafellDown]

"Hours worth"? Those replies took me a couple of minutes.

And the point was that I believe the best way to help new people to play through those dungeons for the first (and maybe only - if turned into a solo instances) time would be to add AI. Until that happens the best way is to make very sure that they can watch their cutscenes in peace by making them unskipable under any circumstances. The current payout is this high to encourage people to "help" new people. The main purpose of this roulette and especially the high reward isnt that someone gets some easy exp, its that someone new can get their clear. I believe AI would be the better solution here, but until we get that unskipable cutscenes are the next best bet.

We need a skip cutscenes vote button or something. Majority or the new player don't care for cut scenes. Don’t see a point of forcing people to watch something they don’t care to see.

[Celbrean]

"Hours worth"? Those replies took me a couple of minutes.

And the point was that I believe the best way to help new people to play through those dungeons for the first (and maybe only - if turned into a solo instances) time would be to add AI. Until that happens the best way is to make very sure that they can watch their cutscenes in peace by making them unskipable under any circumstances. The current payout is this high to encourage people to "help" new people. The main purpose of this roulette and especially the high reward isnt that someone gets some easy exp, its that someone new can get their clear. I believe AI would be the better solution here, but until we get that unskipable cutscenes are the next best bet.

I apologize you even had to defend yourself on this. Too many people are with this crazy idea of shortening the main scenario, but I wouldn't play it without those rewards. I don't even do Guildhest anymore. I'm really tickled because most people who complain about this system are the same people running dungeons in 5 minutes instead of trying to be courteous and running the dungeon appropriately. I'd chalk it up to a lot of selfish players trying to get more gains for nothing when they don't realize without this, the rewards would significantly decrease.

[Hasrat]

That might be the case for 1 person or so, even if then, the person who leaves will suffer the penalty and have to take that "Chance" of hoping to not get someone new. Again, not everyone is going be new to it forever, there will have to be a change to it eventually.

Those chances are pretty high when you can just PF a group looking for a quick run and guarantee skipping cutscenes. Which, as repeatedly stated, results in newer players having a harder time getting through queues. And, again, rewards for having a cutscene-free run would and should be made minuscule. The rewards are incentive for being patient through cutscenes. Remove the cutscenes from the equation, and the rewards have no reason to exist.

In conclusion, none of this is a new idea, there is no simple solution, if you want the rewards, display some patience, the system works fine as it is for now, until it is completely overhauled.