FATEs at 80 -

[RyuSaarva]

I do fates for the gemstones, don't really care about exp from them since it's too easy to get from roulettes anyway, so I do them sometimes with max level jobs.

[Losara]

The only time I do FATEs even with the 5.0 changes is if I am slightly off a level increase and don't want to do a roulette / dungeon to complete the level.

I don't do them at all on maxed jobs because theres no point. I can earn gil much faster doing gather/craft and I could get tomes doing a duty roulette. Theres a lack of a reason for maxed jobs to be doing fates.

That begs the question. What can be done to make FATEs worthwhile at 80? Incentives such as gil, rare items, random materia drops, gear (perhaps dungeon equivalent or just glamour only), mounts & minions to name a few. Realistically you'd need a combination of the things I mentioned for people to consider FATEs over alternatives. Gemstones aren't enough to make me want to do FATEs, they just add more of a reward for completing FATEs on DPS jobs while waiting for a duty finder queue to pop while levelling.

[Callinon]

So then that begs the question: Why does it have to be okay?

I answered that in the post you quoted. What's confusing?

[Malmstrom]

I answered that in the post you quoted. What's confusing?

You're looking at it strictly as leveling and bicolor gemstones.

So why does that have to be it?

Why can't there be an added bonus for doing it at max level? Even bicolor gemstones can always have a use as long as materia can be bought, so why not increase the amount given at max level to make the time spent buying those equivalent to how you can obtain them from other avenues?

You've basically only said that it doesn't need to be anything more than what it is, without explaining why you think leaving them almost entirely useless is okay.

[Tracewood]

I would love it if they put in XI's merit point system, where you're limited on merit points for ONE job (your main) but all the merit points do would augment your traits, stats, and abilities. People argue it'll make PF more toxic, but they can't kick you for not having merits if they don't KNOW you dont' have merits save for a third party tool. It's still something to do post MSQ and might help people struggling with end game content.

[JowyAtreides]

A bonus to gil would be nice, but wouldn't it just attract (more) bots?

[Malmstrom]

A bonus to gil would be nice, but wouldn't it just attract (more) bots?

Could argue that with anything, though.

As long as there is money to be made somewhere, there will be an automated program to do it.

Not that you're wrong. Just make all the fates turn-in fates! They seem incapable of doing those! XD

Edit - Also, if there weren't bots, I wouldn't have anyone to FATE with! Sad, but true. ;-;

[Callinon]

You're looking at it strictly as leveling and bicolor gemstones.

So why does that have to be it?

Why can't there be an added bonus for doing it at max level? Even bicolor gemstones can always have a use as long as materia can be bought, so why not increase the amount given at max level to make the time spent buying those equivalent to how you can obtain them from other avenues?

You've basically only said that it doesn't need to be anything more than what it is, without explaining why you think leaving them almost entirely useless is okay.

But they're not useless. They're just useless to YOU.

Let me ask you this instead.. how often do you do guildhest roulette? Be honest.

It's ok for you to outgrow content. There's plenty of other content for you to do... you're not going to be bored.

[Krojack]

The bicolor gemstones ARE the incentive.

Once you get the music they aren't really worth it anymore. Definitely not an incentive anymore.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Once you get the music they aren't really worth it anymore. Definitely not an incentive anymore.

You can buy crafting materials dropped by mobs with gemstones, so they are always worth it.