Thread: PLD Raise Spell in 6.0?

The reason it is a bad idea is simple, it throws a huge wrench into the balancing of the tank jobs.

Providing one job in a role something of value, even if it's use is fairly niche, without providing the other jobs of that role a variant of it or something of equivalent value unique to those jobs ends up tipping the scales in favor of that one job.

Providing PLD a battle raise, even at a cost like lost dps, is still an extra tool in it's kit that the other tanks just don't get which can bring a lot of extra value to the job in certain instances, such as during prog or if things go bad in a fight.

Basically it boils down to the following...
- A battle raise on a tank is a niche ability that provides unique but difficult to define extra value to that job.
- Because the value of such an ability is difficult to define, it is incredibly difficult to balance again other such niche abilities that could be given to the other jobs.
- Therefore you end up with the situation that in order to properly maintain balance between the tank jobs, either all tanks need to receive a battle raise or none of them do.

I mean it could happen and could work out okay, but it would require each tank job to also get something unique and niche added to their kits, which I already pointed out would be a balancing nightmare in of itself, and the player community to not flip out and cry foul. Based on how the community tends to react to most things, that is not a likely outcome.

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

The reason it is a bad idea is simple, it throws a huge wrench into the balancing of the tank jobs.

Providing one job in a role something of value, even if it's use is fairly niche, without providing the other jobs of that role a variant of it or something of equivalent value unique to those jobs ends up tipping the scales in favor of that one job.

You mean like cover? Or clemency? Or shield bash? Those things PLD has that no other tank has any equivalent to?

PLD has so much random stuff thrown on it but none of those things break balance at all, they range from niche skills that are more for authenticity than purpose or at best progression tools which PLD is king of. You rarely see any of these skills used in content that matters outside of occasionally cheese strats. People talk a big game about how things would destroy balance if it ever got added, but then if it comes out people realise it’s not as huge of a deal as they made it out to be.

I remember before RDM came out SMN’s were asking for physick to be made to scale off INT so it wasn’t completely useless to them and you had people going around claiming “oh but then SMNs would replace healers!”. You can see how laughable that idea is now with hindsight from the addition of RDM.

It’s just another party member with a raise spell. Are parties with a RDM or SMN so much more broken than a party without? Hell those jobs aren’t even meta.

Putting aside the people that believe raise should be healer exclusive, ask yourself if a PLD having raise is any more broken than anyone else having it really?

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

You know what else saves a run? Not being bad. People will always ask for something to be easier instead of looking to improve themselves or others.

By your logic raise should be removed from the game altogether then? I mean if you ever die you should just not have been bad right? In fact, all dps and mitigation tools except for what is exactly needed to survive with 1hp and kill the boss at exactly 1 second left on the enrage timer should be removed too, doesn’t that follow? If anyone makes any kind of mistake, they should have stopped being bad right?

Meanwhile in 6.0:
GNB have weaponskill that ranged big single target damage.
WAR have ability that make weaponskill cd reduce 20%
DRK have long charge up but huge nukem magic AOE.

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No? no raise for PLD then.

Good luck convincing a Paladin to cast Raise, thus ruining their Requiescat window.

"What if we wipe?!"

I think they'd prefer that.