Influx of stubborn players in the Duty Roulettes

[Kenjinmaru]

This is why level jump potions should not exist. Also why we need a better alternative for helping people learn to play the game that is not "Hall of the novice". Many don't know it exist. And harder content like Shinryu at the end of SB. The mass amount of complaints on these very forums "Shinryu is too hard" just baffled me. Story content that actually required some coordination and it's too difficult. Content designed with the purpose of forcing you to learn to play the game the way it was intended, tactfully.

This has nothing to do with jump potions. Bad players will be bad whatever the level. Jumping just makes them have access to content you want to be safe in, but otherwise they would still plague the levelling roulettes and such, making the problem just as bad. It has to do with entitled little whiners who refuse to do a tiny bit of research before entering a dungeon or a raid to make sure they carry their own weight. It's the mentalities, not the system.

[tinythinker]

[W]e need a better alternative for helping people learn to play the game that is not "Hall of the novice". Many don't know it exist {sic}.

Maybe if HotN was required before running with players? That is in order to unlock instanced group content

[SieneskaSanura]

Maybe if HotN was required before running with players? That is in order to unlock instanced group content

Wait, it's not? I thought you had to go through it at least once if you didn't skip the story?

On topic: The number of times I've been tanking, and noticed that the healer is making the same mistakes I used to make (using hardcast heals constantly, not DPSing - especially on WHM when Holy would be amazing tohelp with incoming damage) and stopped and said "Hey, would you mind me giving you some tips?" and either got "$%^& off"or been told that I don't know how to play said class because I advise against using Cure/Benefic/Physick and that they should focus on non-hardcast heals is unbelievable.

[MeanDragon]

Wait, it's not? I thought you had to go through it at least once if you didn't skip the story?

On topic: The number of times I've been tanking, and noticed that the healer is making the same mistakes I used to make (using hardcast heals constantly, not DPSing - especially on WHM when Holy would be amazing tohelp with incoming damage) and stopped and said "Hey, would you mind me giving you some tips?" and either got "$%^& off"or been told that I don't know how to play said class because I advise against using Cure/Benefic/Physick and that they should focus on non-hardcast heals is unbelievable.

It is not required. I didn't do it for awhile until I started a second class. And I only did it then because it gives you some good gear that can carry you for quite a few levels.

That begin said, it isn't very useful. It tells you to avoid AOE and to heal your friends, but it doesn't put you in a party and show you how to scroll through members. But the Brand New gear sets are cool.

[Gemina]

Wait, it's not? I thought you had to go through it at least once if you didn't skip the story?

On topic: The number of times I've been tanking, and noticed that the healer is making the same mistakes I used to make (using hardcast heals constantly, not DPSing - especially on WHM when Holy would be amazing tohelp with incoming damage) and stopped and said "Hey, would you mind me giving you some tips?" and either got "$%^& off"or been told that I don't know how to play said class because I advise against using Cure/Benefic/Physick and that they should focus on non-hardcast heals is unbelievable.

Your advice was unsolicited, and that's is likely why the healer got snippy with you. No matter how good your intentions are, you are literally being what you are trying to avoid, and your efforts are counter-productive. Even if the healer was receptive and started using Holy for mitigation and ogcds to heal, it would at best have made a small fraction of a difference as far as total run time goes.

You trying to get the healer to play in a way you find acceptable very likely added more time to the run that could have been avoided if you didn't say anything at all. And for what? Do you have any guarantee that your advice would be retained? Echoed to other WHMs? Will be grouping with this player again in the future, or bringing him/her into a static? If the answer to any of these is "no", then that is time and energy wasted my friend.

Oh and BTW, you also might want to consider that the healer was hard casting their heals because he/she doesn't trust you, and the synergy with you is nowhere to be found. Again, these gripes are very one-sided. It's so very easy to point fingers, or think they are being pointed at you, and if a run is going fine for the most part, then there isn't a whole lot of reason to say anything in the first place.

[SieneskaSanura]

Your advice was unsolicited, and that's is likely why the healer got snippy with you. No matter how good your intentions are, you are literally being what you are trying to avoid, and your efforts are counter-productive. Even if the healer was receptive and started using Holy for mitigation and ogcds to heal, it would at best have made a small fraction of a difference as far as total run time goes.

You trying to get the healer to play in a way you find acceptable very likely added more time to the run that could have been avoided if you didn't say anything at all. And for what? Do you have any guarantee that your advice would be retained? Echoed to other WHMs? Will be grouping with this player again in the future, or bringing him/her into a static? If the answer to any of these is "no", then that is time and energy wasted my friend.

Oh and BTW, you also might want to consider that the healer was hard casting their heals because he/she doesn't trust you, and the synergy with you is nowhere to be found. Again, these gripes are very one-sided. It's so very easy to point fingers, or think they are being pointed at you, and if a run is going fine for the most part, then there isn't a whole lot of reason to say anything in the first place.

Actually, when I do notice such things, I'll ask - during a pull - if I can offer some advice. I either get told "No $%^& off" or a receptive response. When I get the latter, I offer the advice on how the job is supposed to be played. From time-to-time, after said advice is given, I am met with "Do you even know how to play WHM? Cure procs a free Cure II" (Neither of these spells should be relied on, certainly not Cure, considering the sheer power of Regen and the instant cast heals WHM has access to.

You say "play in a way I find acceptable" as if healers standing there, AFK between heals, just waiting for something to hit with Cure is in any way acceptable when their providing damage would speed up the run and is, in fact, the way healers are supposed to be played. I have seen several healing guides (I was not a strong healer back in WoW, so I have kind of gone overboard on reading up on healers for when I play them) that have said "DPS is not something you do when there is nothing to heal, it is something you stop when you need to heal" Any healer worth their salt knows that oGCDs and instants come before hardcasts, and any WHM worth their salt knows that Holyis literally external mitigation for tanks. There's no reason not to use it.

[AuraAstra]

While I've encountered more good than bad, I've definitely run into some of the very bad.

Tanks who don't know what a defensive is, or who pull, wipe the group, blame the healer (me), then do the same pull and expect different results (that one got kicked after he did it three times in Dohn Meg before the first boss, even after I asked him to pull smaller - the next tank was much better). DPS who take tank mechanics to the face or who don't seem to understand that orange = bad.

I'll admit I don't always play the best either, but I at least make some effort to perform my role adequately and do mechanics.

[Camiie]

Has anyone else noticed an influx of bad players?

No, I have not.

[Losara]

I try to reason with people at first but if they refuse to listen I'll take measures. If they are deliberately being stubborn e.g. Healer not throwing up DoTs at least on a boss and just standing there with full MP until damage arrives, I'll explain that a healer isn't only meant to heal. If they ignore this advice I'll vote kick them, I would rather wait for a new healer than run with someone who isn't taking the run seriously. If someone has a valid reason for being stubborn with things e.g. Mental / Physical disability as long as they mention it I will take that into consideration and expect a slow run but won't hold it against them as its something outside of their control.

If a tank isn't performing pulls correctly e.g. Refuses to enable tank stance even though it literally costs them no effort to enable it I will also eat the 30 minute timer or vote kick them assuming the run has been going on long enough. There is no reason to cater for people who don't care to take things seriously. They aren't only wasting your time they are wasting the time of the other 2+ people in your group. There needs to be a certain level of communication between players in a group so that the group is aware of anything that could potentially change the run to be something out of the norm.

[Omymy]

I make my rouls everyday without finding this kind of persons.

Anyway as a mentor im always happy to help them. Aside of Lalas, they arent people at all.